Log book questions

[04cobra]

Most city drivers do not keep logs.But what should you do
if you work city all week then a simple 2 state linehaul
on a weekend?
What if you worked in the office all week then did a linehaul
run on a weekend?
Or a combination of all 3 ?

[DayliteDean]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

Most city drivers do not keep logs.But what should you do
if you work city all week then a simple 2 state linehaul
on a weekend?
What if you worked in the office all week then did a linehaul
run on a weekend?
Or a combination of all 3 ?

cobra heres the shortest answer I can give you You have to account for the last 7/8 days on your logbook .even if you worked in the office ,those hours count against your hours of service.A tip;just keep a log, fill out everyday, just log those hours on the "on duty not driving"line It will be a lot easier to do this than to backlog every saturday morning IMO

[ranger309]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

Most city drivers do not keep logs.But what should you do
if you work city all week then a simple 2 state linehaul
on a weekend?
What if you worked in the office all week then did a linehaul
run on a weekend?
Or a combination of all 3 ?

Get a log book and do your last 7 or 8 days as best you can if you were running P&D and put it down as such somewhere in the blank spaces, so "officer friendly" gets the idea. (some of em' got thick skulls)

I'd run your office time on the On-duty not driving line.

Play it safe because those log-book fines are very hefty from what I hear. (never got one so far, knock on wood.)

2.00 bucks or so for a log book is cheap insurance, particularly when you cross state lines. Uncle Sugar needs that fine money real bad right now. Dont make it easy.

[Comftblynumb]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

Most city drivers do not keep logs.But what should you do
if you work city all week then a simple 2 state linehaul
on a weekend?
What if you worked in the office all week then did a linehaul
run on a weekend?
Or a combination of all 3 ?

I have been in just that situation many times. What I would do was put 7 days off duty prior to the day I was begining the trip. THe company I work for allows us to put that on one page just put 168 hours in the top line recap. The worst that could happen is DOT makes you shut down for 10 hours. They can't in fact PROVE it is a violation but can shut you down for being suspicious. If you explain your situation to the cop and then play dumb and let him explain stuff to you I can't imagine any trouble would come of it. Never came up for me though, not the letter of the law but as we know the law and actual practice often differ just a wee bit.

To be within the letter of the law though, you can just put your hours on the "On duty not driving" line going (off duty for un-paid lunches though). Your supervisor should be happy to give you your last time card if needed. Even if you had been driving when working locally still put it on line 3. The fact that you only have exactly seven days and not driving time will tell the DOT exactly what they want to know. Your not regular road.

I have been inspected many times and the first thing the inspector goes to is the hourly re-cap inside the front cover. I always keep mine UTD and 9 of 10 DOT inspectors will not dive deeper into a log book with a current re-cap. One of them even told me that if your recap looks good, then so will the rest. He said that if there were alot of whole numbers, blank spots or not current then he would go deeper assured there was a violation to be had in there. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR LOG.

[RedRollingRoadblock]

Does any of this make it as clear as mud?

Question 19: Regulatory guidance issued by the Office of Motor Carriers states that a driver's record-of-duty-status (RODS) may be used as the 100 air-mile radius time record ". . . provided the form contains the mandatory information." Is this "mandatory information" that required of a normal RODS under §395.8(d) or that of the 100 air-mile radius exemption under §395.1(e)(5)?

Guidance: The "mandatory information" referred to is the time records specified by §395.1(e)(5) which must show: (1) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (2) the total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (3) the time the driver is released from duty each day; and (4) the total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.

Using the RODS to comply with §395.1(e)(5) is not prohibited as long as the RODS contains driver identification, the date, the time the driver began work, the time the driver ended work, and the total hours on duty.

PS: Ed, the wooden shoes have dry rot.

Question 20: When a driver fails to meet the provisions of the 100 air-mile radius exemption (§395.1(e)), is the driver required to have copies of his/her records of duty status for the previous seven days? Must the driver prepare daily records of duty status for the next seven days?

Guidance: The driver must only have in his/her possession a record of duty status for the day he/she does not qualify for the exemption. The record of duty status must cover the entire day, even if the driver has to record retroactively changes in status that occurred between the time that the driver reported for duty and the time in which he/she no longer qualified for the 100 air-mile radius exemption. This is the only way to ensure that a driver does not claim the right to drive 10 hours after leaving his/her exempt status, in addition to the hours already driven under the 100 air-mile exemption. Interpretation for 395.8

What I used to do is just log it. Group your drops together and show some drive time in between. Say I started in Portland and took 20 minuets to get to the first drop. Show 15 drive time then on duty not driving. Next stop is six blocks away, the next 10 blocks, the next 3 blocks. I would show all on duty not driving. My next stop is 15 minuets drive time show that as drive time even if still in Portland. My next stop is 23 minuets to Tualatin and I have 4 drops with in a 8 block radius. Show the drive time to Tualatin, (your choice either 15 or 30, I always rounded up if over 22 1/2 minuets) and the 4 drops took me 45 minuets show the drops as on duty not driving. Get my pattern? Try to keep it accurate as you can so when you end up with an hour drive to the terminal you show an hour not 15 minuets. Try to keep accurate mileage so you have a realistic number to put in the spot of mileage.

As far as you office time log it. Make sure you don't go over your hours. After you have done the logging for the local stuff for awhile you will find that you can do it fairly fast.

[double_r]

Use an EXEMPT log for the days that you run local P&D or office. All you have to do is fill out the hours that you worked(as long as it is 12 or under). Carry the EXEMPT log with you when you line-haul. Use a LOG BOOK to do your line-haul. At the end of the trip, mark your hours in your EXEMPT log and also check the book that says "LOG ATTACHED".

That is the way SAFETY told me to do it mine when I run the first half of the week regional and the end of the week local. I just run a log ALL WEEK, alot easier(for me)