Big meeting on Union

[concerned citizen]

Originally Posted by liljohn

who wants to pay union dues it just gets hoffa rich.

What you are paying for insurance is 3-4 times what union drivers are paying for dues, and most of them are getting free or much lower cost insurance. Union drivers are still going home at the end of the week with more money in their pockets. If you don't believe me, compare your paycheck with a union driver's. I don't see the point about Hoffa getting rich, because what CEO isn't. At least he's getting wealthier along with his members instead of at their expense.

[Apostolic]

$52,000.00 last year.
I said say what?
All the more dollars per hour than I make,also time,and a half after 8 hours per day,and I made just a tad over $60,000.00.

Of course I'm sure he had more time to spend with home things than I did.

Last year our overtime was after 44 hours,and believe you me I worked some serious overtime to make what I did working as a P & D driver.

But I still thought it wierd that thats all this regular package driver made?

[GLAD TO BE_UPSF]

Originally Posted by Apostolic

$52,000.00 last year.
I said say what?
All the more dollars per hour than I make,also time,and a half after 8 hours per day,and I made just a tad over $60,000.00.

Of course I'm sure he had more time to spend with home things than I did.

Last year our overtime was after 44 hours,and believe you me I worked some serious overtime to make what I did working as a P & D driver.

But I still thought it wierd that thats all this regular package driver made?

Was he an older fella? Has he been at UPS long?

If he has been there for many years,it is possible he already busted his hump over the years and has everything paid off...and is now comfortable making $50,000/year.

A friend of mine is on the bottom of the road board at ABF and he said most of the runs are only 400 miles...and that the senior drivers are happy with that...since most of them have worked long enough to have everything paid off...and of course at full rate 400 miles plus clock time wouldn't look too bad at the end of the week.

He said they get pissed if a junior driver comes back from a short trip and asks for extra work...because they don't want to be expected to do it also.

He said one of the senior men threatened a junior driver with a blanket party in the parking lot...just for asking for extra work.....some brotherhood.

[USLoneStar]

Union does make more money, and yes, their pension is good, but who cares? I make good money, and I dont have to answer to my fellow employee as a steward, I talk to management face to face...Im not gonna talk to a fellow employee when I have problems, thats baloney, also, who wants to work casual and get dogged for years until I get on regular, driving the most junky equipment, taking the crappiest routes, getting stepped on like a dog, I know, Ive been there. all that just to say Im a teamster?, no way. The union companies have been going out of business for years, the only reason the big boys havent is because they have a substantial place in the business, but who knows for how long? I worked for CF, a company in business for years, one day, its over, who says it cant happen again?I think its ridiculous for a driver to file a greivance because a customer came to pick up a shipment on the dock, and a supv loaded the freight so now he files to get paid because its in the contract for a supv not to dock work! Thats stupid, were here to take care of the customer not the employees, who arent even there. And to have the attitude " I dont do that" is all what teamsters are about...

[Docksteward]

Originally Posted by USLoneStar

Union does make more money, and yes, their pension is good, but who cares? I make good money, and I dont have to answer to my fellow employee as a steward, I talk to management face to face...Im not gonna talk to a fellow employee when I have problems, thats baloney, also, who wants to work casual and get dogged for years until I get on regular, driving the most junky equipment, taking the crappiest routes, getting stepped on like a dog, I know, Ive been there. all that just to say Im a teamster?, no way. The union companies have been going out of business for years, the only reason the big boys havent is because they have a substantial place in the business, but who knows for how long? I worked for CF, a company in business for years, one day, its over, who says it cant happen again?I think its ridiculous for a driver to file a greivance because a customer came to pick up a shipment on the dock, and a supv loaded the freight so now he files to get paid because its in the contract for a supv not to dock work! Thats stupid, were here to take care of the customer not the employees, who arent even there. And to have the attitude " I dont do that" is all what teamsters are about...

Mr. LoneStar.....with all due respect we have to remember that both union and non union companies have gone out of business since deregulation. Under my union contract we have classifications....dock, P+D (city), switchers, road drivers, etc. Supervisors tell us what to do, not do the work. It's not "stupid"......it's our contract, a legal document. If the contract is broken by a supervisor doing our work, a complaint needs to be filed, or it will continue. That has nothing to do with taking care of the customers........it still gets done. DS.

[concerned citizen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic

$52,000.00 last year.
I said say what?
All the more dollars per hour than I make,also time,and a half after 8 hours per day,and I made just a tad over $60,000.00.

Of course I'm sure he had more time to spend with home things than I did.

Last year our overtime was after 44 hours,and believe you me I worked some serious overtime to make what I did working as a P & D driver.

But I still thought it wierd that thats all this regular package driver made?

Like you said yourself, he probably had a lot more time at home with his family. There are a lot of senior drivers, both union and nonunion that don't want or need all that overtime. Apostolic, I'm like you in that respect, I work all the overtime I can now, but that's so by the time I reach your age I can kick back and relax a little like that other driver is doing. That other driver probably is probably enjoying one other benefit of his union contract, a limit on how much overtime the company can force him to work.