Union Thugs?????

[BusterNite]

Originally Posted by braceface

For one thing, they put your companies at a competitive disadvantage by what they are "FORCED" to do by the union...

I don't believe in your "Pension Plan" it is to much like Social Security for me. You are counting on current workers to pay for your retirement after you are retired. There will be questions about whether it will be there in the future...

I don't like your Union leaders...

I believe in the free market. The union carriers are against the free market, they are afraid of it... They want every carrier to be just like them for their security..

I don't like collective bargaining... I will negotiate for myself.. Again,the union is like big government..

I don't like the fact you always back Democrats..The Demacrat party is destroying this country, however to be fair, the Republican party sux just as bad lately...

I don't like the fact that you have to start out casual, with no healthcare benefits...

I don't like the fact that the Union drivers get laid off more than they should, and how in the he!! can you support your family being laid off...

I don't believe in the "I'll File a Grievance" mentality.... If I have a problem, I will personally go to the person I have a problem with and resolve whatever it is..

I don't believe in what I have seen by a lot of Union drivers (NOT ALL), doing just what is required, and never an ounce more.. They say its their job to get it to the back of the truck, and nothing more.

Well I believe in taking care of customers, and doing what is required, and that means doing more for them than just getting it to the back of the truck. I know you'll say I'm an, but say whatever you want..

Thank God its a free country, I am glad you guys like the Union, Like working where you work, and have confidence in it. I like working where I work, I know I will never change your mind about the Union, but you will never change my mind about the Union either...

Hope that answers your question...

BUT, On the other hand,
Local police
State Police
Fire fighters
Sports
Auto
Trucking
Textile
Shoe
Pilots
Telephone
electrical
plumbers
construction
steel
grocery
Oil drillers
Ect,Ect,Ect All enjoy collective bargaining and they are not all Democrats.

[2631]

Originally Posted by braceface

I don't believe in the "I'll File a Grievance" mentality.... If I have a problem, I will personally go to the person I have a problem with and resolve whatever it is..

braceface did you ever have to resolve any problems with this guy or anyone like him?

Originally Posted by Guess Who

He went threw dock workers, TM's, drivers, dock supervisors because he ran all of them out the door by screwing with them so they quit or he would just fire them. I can't believe you said he was a good guy, maybe to you he was. But what good guy would write a driver up for taking 2 days off that had personnal days for the birth of his child, or the other driver that took a day off with personnal days for the birth of his child and suspense the driver for that, yeah i guess your right he is a real nice guy. Chicago is run screwed up because of him nobody else.

It would appear to me as if R&L wants all children born only on weekends so as not to interfere with the fathers attendance at work......Just how would you have resolved the issue of being written up for using your personal days for the birth of your child?

[2631]

Originally Posted by braceface

Now 2631, surely you are not going to critcize R&L for going after and getting some of Jevic's old customers are you ? From what I have heard, we lose freight to union carriers alot because our rates are higher than your rates...

If R&L's rates are higher & they are still doing so well then their success must be based on service. If so then it is at least partly due to the hard work of its employees. All the more reason that they should be compensated with overtime pay for all those extra hours that they are required to work.
My criticism of the R&L's & Estee's is based mainly on the fact that as they get bigger & increase their market share they are starting to drag the industry standard wages & benefits down to their level.... It won't affect me personally, but I just hate to see the American workers continue to go backwards

Originally Posted by braceface

R&L will most likely pay overtime in the future, I would not be suprised if they did, but expect to only work 40 hours a week if they do...

Just how much bigger & more successful do they have to become before they do the right thing & compensate their employees like the "big boys" do? Obviously you guys work as hard as we do, so why shouldn't they pay you as good as the "big boys", union & non union, pay us?

[braceface]

Originally Posted by larry retired

I hate having these discussions with people who can only parrot the company line. Good god, at least, once, come up with something new and original. And at least know what you are talking about before opening your mouth.

Deregulation occurred 28 years ago. Yellow, Roadway, ABF, Holland, New Penn and others have survived and prospered every since while having a competitive disadvantage, as you call it. How do you explain this?

My pension is protected by ERISA, which is like Social Security. It is our government. If the United States government goes down, we all go down. It won't matter if you have a pension or not, then. I certainly wouldn't want to be depending on my 401K right now, what with the stock market like it is. I have money invested, so I know what I'm talking about. I know there are people who think they have this all figured out. They go broke every day.

I don't personally know my union leaders like you do, so I don't know if I like them or not. I know my local leaders. They are hard working people just like everybody else.

Union carriers are as free market as any other company. They didn't try to stop deregulation. They competed and some won and some lost. UPS is a union carrier. Do you think that company is afraid of anyone? Get real!

You can negotiate for yourself in some industries, but not LTL trucking. There is an established standard, union scale. They aren't going to pay you above that. And if you tell me they are, then I will show you a company that won't be around much longer.

You're right, the Democrats are not the friends of unions anymore. I personally am an Independent. I despise them both. By the way, the Teamsters endorsed both Nixon and Reagan, as I recall. Someone, here, can verify this.

Starting out casual is like being a proby. If you make the grade, they will put you on rather quickly, usually. Casuals have health insurance. It is in the contract.

Employees get laid off depending on workload. It doesn't matter whether it is a union company or not. If any company kept all its people employed when there was no work, they would go belly up. People are laid off all over America in numerous industries. You can thank both parties for this, but Bush's free trade policies have really been detrimental. I personally got laid off twice at Yellow when I was at the bottom of the seniority list. Both times were during recessions. I got laid off at a non-union job before that during a recession. Do you see a pattern here?

I was a steward. Most problems are resolved without ever filing a grievance. Whoever loses a grievance has to pay a fee. This discourages most frivolous grievances.

There are lazy buttholes in every company. If a driver only demands that he will do just the minimum, he is only hurting himself. I never acted this way. I went out of my way to go above and beyond the minimum requirements, as long as the customer was reasonable. Most of my fellow employees were the same. There were always exceptions, of course. The law says you have to take the delivery inside the first door. My company would not make upstairs or downstairs deliveries, for insurance reasons. The contract said we didn't have to take anything off the back of the truck that was over a certain weight, without a liftgate. My recollection is that it was 500 pounds. I personally took many things way past the first door, up and down stairs, and I took a lot of things over 500 pounds off the back of my truck. Depending on what it is, you can take things heavier than that off by yourself. My back reminds me every day.

And, finally, I don't want to change your mind. You deserve your lot. Ignorance is bliss.

OK Man, whatever you say... Have a good day !!!

[braceface]

Originally Posted by 2631

IMO you should have posted that in the "A Joke" thread. You are probably getting your information from union drivers out on the street, just venting, & obviously you don't know anything about the "Grievance" procedure. A man can write all the grievances he wants but the BA will not file them unless they have merit. Just about all of them are settled at the terminal level

We have a negotiated contract which we must abide by. Both sides, management & labor, know exactly how their job is to done & what they can & cannot do.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that you can just go to R&L's management & resolve any issues that may arise? You must have a great TM, because the R&L driver that I talk to said that the rules are the rules & if he breaks them then he gets written up. He must do what he is told & is not allowed to question his dispatcher. He is not allowed to bring a delivery back regardless of the reason without getting permission......If no one is home, he is told not to bury it because he will have to try again after he is finished all his pickups. The customers get tired of him unloading skids on their dock when he goes in for a pick up. He has to move that freight around 7, 8, 10 times or more...... He is afraid to complain for fear of being written up......Thats just an example of how easy an R&L driver can resolve issues with management.

Gosh you are so right... R&L is just terrible.. I need to go get on with the Precious Union so life will be a dream... Can you put a good word in for me ???? Can't wait to be a Union Man, you guys have convinced me I have been wrong all along... Can't wait for great pay and bennies... Will the union wipe my a$$ too ???

[braceface]

Originally Posted by x475

Companies are not "FORCED" by the union to pay better wages and benefits, they are negotiated thru the bargaining process.
Why would you even care if your employers competition had this so-called disadvantage, unless you realize the non-union shops are riding the union coattails, and with out the union contracts to set the bar, your compensation would be even less?

And this is relevant...how?

Here's an idea; why dont you go to your employer right away and negotiate a wage and benefit package above any Teamster scale. That will surely prove your point and be the demise of the union you hate so much.


Yes it is.

I do hate the union... You have that correct... They are corrupt...I don't hate the drivers who drive for the union, and I wish them no ill will, but I definitly hate unions...