Don't want to hear from retreads

[elvis]

Originally Posted by thebeerboy

2631 i'm not a union basher. i don't hate unions i think highly about all unions. the united states is a union. alot of what you have an impression on is me and elvis goin at it.
i fought for the rights with my brothers at a former employer. i voted yes. i handed out cards and got them signed. i went to the hall every week and i saw what i see goin on here
i won't throw stones at the teamsters. i am not a teamster so if i think the teamsters need to stand up better for their rights, if i think the teamsters are selling their members down the "river" then maybe i should be a teamster then call for change.
i just know their are alot of teamsters that i speak to that are driving a glenn moore trucks on lay off ,trying to pay the bills. sure they are/have organized that part of glen moore which is being called yrcw dedicated.
its funny that you would seem to say i'm a union basher. the local 41 felt the same way because i wouldn't do their house calls. i saw the house calls as harrassment. it was turning yes votes to no votes. i know ,, stupied that someone would change in a whim , but they (the flip floppers ) didn't see that we where organizing for our future no matter about the stupied house calls ... so anyway the teamsters sent some big red headed dude form cali to my house and we sat down and had a 2 hour talk in my living room. at the end of it he said i was more union than almost anyone organizing.
because i think its sad whats going on in the truckin industry does not mean i hate unions. sure its fun to fight but all in all. where would i turn to if i need to fight for my rights where i work now ??? besides getting some bennies and some delay pay what would really change. i'm happy with my income as a linehaul driver for estes. i do feel that our (estes) brothers deserve ot after 40/8 i do feel that linehaul should get delay pay/ pentality pay/ etc.
but do i turn to the teamsters for a few bucks that is a good question. i don't know ??? i know my friends a upsf are happy with the contract they will recieve in kansas city. maybe that would be worth fighting for ??? alot of questions.
the only thing that gets me if i don't toe the line and go along with everything that the hall spews out then i'm anti union. kinda the way you and elvis have labeled me. ask questions or critize then you must be anti union like myself seeing the house calls as a waste and unnessary being labeled as anti. calling someone anti because they see what is comming in the future. whether it be in my campain in kansas city or as a whole with that terrible contract that was signed. then call me anti. what has/is going on is keeping me away from the teamsters. all the guys that are going along and not saying anything is really hurting themselves. i know you too see what i'm saying but will you agree or just call it union bashing ???
i would fight tomarrow if i saw that the teamsters where fighting for their guys now,, is bascially what i'm saying. be safe
p.s. my grandfather and great uncle fought their lives for what now is being torn down. grandpa is retired yellow and great uncle retired abf driver. both helped organized all their lives outta topeka kansas

I have made a pledge to you and this forum, that I will not mention the Teamsters or any other union on the Estes forum. But now you have come to my house. And for that, I will respond to you with my total disgust for your inaccurate post. First of all K.C. UPSF workers did not embrace the Teamsters. They opted for the APWA. Which ultimately failed. Therefore, they will be without a contract for at least a year. So, if you are going to post in this forum, please bring facts to the table. Otherwise refrain from making an a$$ of yourself, like you have grown so accustomed to doing.. Feel free to add negative points to my reputation. The scale between green and red is getting very lopsided anyway. Teamster Elvis out....

[elvis]

Originally Posted by mudder

easy on the "common sense" statement
some of us would work for a union co. and be a teamster, if we had the chance
where I live: small town: deep south: there's just not many opertunities

What you post here makes a lot of sense. These right to work states should be ashamed of themselves. If given the chance to organize the workplace, without the threat of vengeance, most workers would do so. I am convinced of that. UPSF workers were given the green light to organize, via the card check neutrality agreement. It crossed the nation like a swarm of locusts. Once people realized the company would not terminate employees for embracing organized labor ( against the law by the way) they signed cards as fast as they could. IMO, most men gravitate to where they perceive the power to be. That being said, in a right to work state, the power is perceived to be with corporate America. This dilemma is exactly why the EMPLOYEE FREE CHOICE ACT is so important to all of us blue collar workers. This bill will allow the AMERICAN worker to gain ground on the fleecing of American jobs. It will allow workers to organize without reprisal. It will stiffen the penalties for companies who violate the Labor Relations Act, in order to avoid unionization. I do not agree with a lot of the ideology of the Democratic party, but it is time to start voting with our pocket books, instead of a few dividing issues. Obama publicly suports the EFCA. He has spoken publicly in regards to his support of organized labor. The middle class is at war with corporate America people. Refuse to believe this fact if you wish. Why would any multi billion dollar corporation expect their workers to surrender pay and benefits, while a CEO enjoys a multi million dollar bonus? Something is seriously wrong with this picture folks. I conclude that the collective bargaining unit is the only solution to leveling the playing field. Why would any of you think different? Teamster Elvis out...

[thebeerboy]

Originally Posted by elvis

I have made a pledge to you and this forum, that I will not mention the Teamsters or any other union on the Estes forum. But now you have come to my house. And for that, I will respond to you with my total disgust for your inaccurate post. First of all K.C. UPSF workers did not embrace the Teamsters. They opted for the APWA. Which ultimately failed. Therefore, they will be without a contract for at least a year. So, if you are going to post in this forum, please bring facts to the table. Otherwise refrain from making an a$$ of yourself, like you have grown so accustomed to doing.. Feel free to add negative points to my reputation. The scale between green and red is getting very lopsided anyway. Teamster Elvis out....

why is the teamster trailer parked out front and they are voting now or already have. they voted out the apwa. they voted that in before the whole teamster deal geared up. i also gave you props because you guys at upsf are some of the only drivers right now happy with the contracts being offered.now you know why i said what was said in pm. duhhh better get high speed cause you are a year behind on your upsf facts and me callin you an a$$hole is a month old.. catch up

[thebeerboy]

by the way elvis if you know sooooo much why are the teamsters giving out contracts that are 401 k now ????? very intresting. and also now that yrcw dedicated (part of glen moore ) is union are they contractors ????? if they are teamsters then watch out !!!!! no more yellow drivers and roadway bye bye. better open your eyes elvis !!!!!!!!

[jdtex]

Originally Posted by thebeerboy

why is the teamster trailer parked out front and they are voting now or already have. they voted out the apwa. they voted that in before the whole teamster deal geared up. i also gave you props because you guys at upsf are some of the only drivers right now happy with the contracts being offered.now you know why i said what was said in pm. duhhh better get high speed cause you are a year behind on your upsf facts and me callin you an a$$hole is a month old.. catch up

KC never voted APWA in. They voted it down three times in three desperate attempts by that bunch of wannabes (the apwa)

[thebeerboy]

10-4 on me and elvis both being wrong.. it happens. thanx for the correct knowlage