Why Conway will never be Union.

[Boxboss]

I suppose you could sorta say Overnite "bought" into the idea...!!!!! Sorry, Elvis, couldn't resist...I'll duck now...!!!!

[Wilbur]

I think those who use Overnite as an example should take a closer look at just what type of "union" Overnite ended-up with. I.e. - the Teamsters sacrificed a large element of control and growth potential to get Overnite to be "union" (even a "captive" one!), and I see the function more as an admission as to what the movement has been reduced to rather than a successful example to point to. Meanwhile, even with the addition of Overnite to the fold, UPS (by far the Teamsters largest employer) has tilted-over to predominately non-union status. By that I mean that, even including those which the Teamsters claim to represent, but who aren't actually members (a large segment of the company's employees in RTW states), the Teamsters (with Overnite) have less than half the employees of the company. I.E. - get 16,000 with OVNT, lose hundreds of thousands because UPS has learned that full Teamster participation puts companies out of business.

Can anyone repeat the initials "CSPF", by way of illustration?

[driverofall]

Only management and brain washed employees in my opinion would NOT want a union. Remember, without unions, every single benefit the NON UNION employees have began from the BLOOD AND SWEAT OF UNION BROTHERS!

The union haters all point too YRC as say "look at them", let's remember it wasn't the union that made horrible decisions, that was YRC management. They will never fold and will restructure just like most companies do at some point.

Hating unions is foolish and once Obama wins this election, unions will be strong once again. Have you ever heard of "weingarden rights"? It's something I hope will be reinstated immediately after Obama wins. It's something that helps all you non union people that we Union Brothers have had for years. GW took that right away during his 1st 4 years.

The bottom line is having a union help protect your job especially in these financial times is a postive, not a negative. What's wrong with trying to save a person body so they are healthy when the retire? Having a unions prevents the companies from abusing employees and they do abuse non union employees. Why do you think Teacher demand unions? Union brothers are going to become stronger and stronger.

Keep working that dock conway, keep working harder and watching your bennies disappear faster than ever. Conway won't touch veteran drivers because they know what's what. Why do you think they have an apprentice program and run through employees like crazy? Once Fed Ex (and they will) become union, conway will follow. UPS freight got smart and others will follow, it's the smart thing do too.

Come on managers and brainwashed employees, bash away. I've got nothing to do but smile and enjoy my retirement and beautiful UNION BENEFITS!

PS

I got a 401k too, sure is nice to retire young and have a great life ahead! I won't need the 401k for a long time so once the stock market get's back to normal, life goes on. With only having a 401k in a non union company, many older drivers are now going too have to work years and years more. That's a non union/no pension benefit I guess?

[Wilbur]

Having a hard time buying all that. Statistically, over the last few decades, the union heightened job IN-security, rather than the other way around. As for "bad management", there you're probably correct....but, given the record of companies with work forces organized by the Teamsters (what is it.....98 or 99 of the top 100 organized trucking companies of 3 decades ago having gone out of business, while the industry as a whole thrived?), the general consensus of knowledgeable observers there (i.e. - those who'd be willing to INVEST in business and OFFER jobs instead of simply complaining about the lack of them) is that the worst aspect of "bad management" a trucking company can show is to let the Teamsters in. The record is pretty clear there; Teamster-organized firms (with the singular exception of UPS, which is no longer predominately "Teamster") go broke. Sorry, but there's just no reasonable way to look at the facts and avoid that conclusion.

What would happen if Conway went union? Well, what happened to Consolidated...and just about every other trucking firms workforce that chose that option? Seems pretty clear that they'd likely go out of business. So if your intent is to lose your job - just like hundreds of thousands, and even millions perhaps, of "core industry" Teamsters lost theirs over the last few decades - then the choice seems to be clear. And, statistically at least, if, over the long term, you're a good worker and want to keep your job, the choice seems to be clear there as well.

[Dockworker]

Originally Posted by Boxboss

I suppose you could sorta say Overnite "bought" into the idea...!!!!! Sorry, Elvis, couldn't resist...I'll duck now...!!!!

As weird as it sounds UPS encouraged the former Overnite to go union. It was the local management that didn't agree until UPS handcuffed them and taped their mouths shut and gave us a voice.

When the buyout occured, it was pretty much obvious we were going Union. The question was when.

I think UPSF is a different breed of Teamster. I can't pin point it but we have some pretty hard working individuals. (For now that is. ... Fingers crossed )
We are new to it and we actually work together well with management.

[Boxboss]

I think it was that they were not going to oppose organization...It actually simplified their entire system from an HR standpoint...and they got all that big brown money, so they weren't too worried...but they are still struggling with trying to integrate it into their efficiency system...they are learning that LTL is a much different game than package..