Another Union Hater

[2631]

Originally Posted by rubber duck

Now if he's talking about a food warehouse they just always seem to do things a little different, but he was still wrong to say those things!!!!!!!!!

I agree, I don't like delivering to any food warehouses whether they be Union or Non-Union. But in his post he writes "buy our overpriced, inferior quality products" so I don't think he is referring to a food house.

[Boxboss]

No, I think Busternite hit it on the head, by actually pointing to different entities...While I was reading it, I realized that I have the same issue the thread starter has, but mine is with anyone that works for the DMV in California...So I guess I can understand the basis for his attack...everyone needs a target in their life, an entity to vent at when the world is coming off it's axis..I don't need any of that personally, I can hate the DMV just getting out of bed..

[jakebrake12]

Originally Posted by BusterNite

I had a bad experience with a non union company, a manager, a contractor, a teacher, a sales person, a church, and an American-----"THEY" are the slowest, laziest, most inconsiderate people.

See my point??

Absolutely. I agree you cannot lump all union or non-union employees into one group. I suppose I stand corrected.

[jakebrake12]

Originally Posted by 2631

Objective and well written you say.(overpaid, cushy jobs, slowest, laziest and most inconsiderate people) IMO it reads more like outright union bashing. How are any of us "hard-core union guys" to know anything about his "first person perspective" when he continues to post only on the Non-Union forum?
I have posted a message & sent him a PM asking him to come over to this forum so that we can debate him on his hatred of all unions. But it would appear that he would rather hide & throw stones from over in the Non-Union forum. His post was an attack on all unions. It was about picking up & delivering loads to union companies & not just about Teamster truck drivers.

I don't care where he posts it. It sounds like he deals with unions at the origin or destination of his loads on a regular basis and has had bad experiences with them. His spelling and grammar were good and his points were clearly made. That was my point.

[tstom]

I was not looking for a debate or the opinions of union drivers. For one thing, there was too much venom in my initial post to raise anything but ill responses such as is noted by your conjecture and sarcasm. Not a single person attempted to answer my question though one person here at least seemed to read between the lines.

First of all, I said it is "unfortunate" at the beginning. See the topic heading. See my last post that shores this up. Clearly stating that it would be "fortunate" if this industry could be unionized. So the concept and original purpose of unions is not my problem. The individuals are not my problem. When I meet a person as a possible new friend, one of the questions on my checklist is not, "By the way, are you a union memeber?" :) Its the culture of near mob mentality that seems to grip many of you who belong to unions. You have become exclusive, thus exluding.

The main point is this: If the typical (I do mean typical), treatment I have recieved at union companies is the usual experience, even half as much, for the average, non-union, Joe driver, it will be a cold day in hell before this industry goes union.

1. If you are taking this as a personal attack, you are reading me wrong. I was invited into this room. If I wanted to start trouble, I would have invited myself.

2. If what a complete stranger posts in a messageboard can make you defensive and angry...

3. I think that this industry needs a union...

If you guys/gals can step back a moment and take my post in light of these, maybe we can have an intelligent discussion. If it's just going to be a pissing match, this will be my only say in here.


2631
"I read this post last night but could not respond because he posted on the non-union forum. I was hoping that a mod would have moved it over here so that some of us slow, lazy, inconsiderate, arrogant, pompous union workers can respond."

My post did not at all state that "all" union people are such. I did make that clear. However, disproportionately, it has been my experience that this is so.


x475
"Good grief, where to start!?
He says he is curious about what other drivers think, but obviously not enough to put his union bashing on a forum where we can have constructive debate.
I'm too slow and lazy to type any more."

BusterNite
"I spent most of my 30 years as a non union driver. I am now a proud Teamster. Am I now the slowest, lazy, Inconsiderate, arrogant, pompous Union worker with moral issues??????????????WTF HOW SAD!!!!!!!!!!!
You are not a cry baby. You are exactly what you accuse the millions of proud American Union workers of being. PERIOD!!!!!"

rubber duck
"Guess i'm half lazy,inconsiderate,arrogant and pompous I work for a non-union carrier but support the unions"

"I" and "I'm"? I have no idea who you are and I was not talking about you. My argument was noted as a generalization. So generally speaking, this is what I believe. I also questioned rather this is true or not. I could be wrong.


jakebrake12
"Has it ever occurred to any of the hard-core union guys that someone could have had a bad personal experience with unions? From his first-person perspective he is dead on, and from your first-person perspective you are dead on. Good lord.. His post was objective and well written.. That was HIS experience..

To be fair, the New-Penn driver in my new area is as good as they get. The New-Penn driver where I ran for years was kicked out of customers right in front of my eyes. I have seen one of my fellow Conway drivers banned from an account. It goes both ways.jakebrake12
Has it ever occurred to any of the hard-core union guys that someone could have had a bad personal experience with unions? From his first-person perspective he is dead on, and from your first-person perspective you are dead on. Good lord.. His post was objective and well written.. That was HIS experience..

To be fair, the New-Penn driver in my new area is as good as they get. The New-Penn driver where I ran for years was kicked out of customers right in front of my eyes. I have seen one of my fellow Conway drivers banned from an account. It goes both ways."

The single objective post. I was not looking for agreement in my original post in the other room. I was questioning rather my experience is typical or not. That is why I posed the question to non union drivers.

UnionTrucka
"let me make myself a little clearer for you. the reason i said his post was was a waste is because he lumped all of us union drivers together."

Not true. If I get slapped 10 times and 7 of them are from a guy wearing a union hat, I have good reason to be weary whenever I see anybody wearing a union hat.

"i could give a damn about his experiences in life"

To be frank, that is nonsense. Every single decision you make is based upon your own experience... The rest of your post is just retaliatory conjecture.

murphyslaw
"If he had a bad personal experience, then more than likely he brought it on himself."

Not so though I have no way of proving that to you...


BusterNite
"I had a bad experience with a non union company, a manager, a contractor, a teacher, a sales person, a church, and an American-----"THEY" are the slowest, laziest, most inconsiderate people.

See my point??"

No, I don't. "A" company or "a" person is not going to lead me to generalize. I said this has been my experience over ten years of driving...

2631
"Objective and well written you say.(overpaid, cushy jobs, slowest, laziest and most inconsiderate people) IMO it reads more like outright union bashing. How are any of us "hard-core union guys" to know anything about his "first person perspective" when he continues to post only on the Non-Union forum?
I have posted a message & sent him a PM asking him to come over to this forum so that we can debate him on his hatred of all unions. But it would appear that he would rather hide & throw stones from over in the Non-Union forum. His post was an attack on all unions. It was about picking up & delivering loads to union companies & not just about Teamster truck drivers."

You got one thing correct in this snippet, it is my general view of all unions, not the teamsters specifically.

2631
"I agree, I don't like delivering to any food warehouses whether they be Union or Non-Union. But in his post he writes "buy our overpriced, inferior quality products" so I don't think he is referring to a food house."

If I regret any part of my post, that was probably it.

[2631]

Originally Posted by tstom

I was not looking for a debate or the opinions of union drivers. For one thing, there was too much venom in my initial post to raise anything but ill responses such as is noted by your conjecture and sarcasm. Not a single person attempted to answer my question though one person here at least seemed to read between the lines.

If you only wanted the opinions of non-union drivers then that's your choice. If you had posted it that way then I would not have wasted my time attempting to contact you. Most members on this site offer their opposing opinions to all the interested parties. Since it was your 1st post I had hoped that you had just mistakenly posted it on the wrong forum.

When you choose to post anti-union rhetoric on a non-union only site it would be like me hiding behind the union only site & attacking non-union workers without giving them the opportunity to respond to my post.

Conjecture? How could we give an informed response since no where in your posts do you even give any indication as to what type of union companies or what type of terrible treatment that you received. And how did we know if you would even be able to find this thread?

Originally Posted by tstom

Its the culture of near mob mentality that seems to grip many of you who belong to unions. You have become exclusive, thus exluding.

Exclusive? Excluding who? I don't have a clue as to what you mean by that. Unions have been in decline for many years now & they are always looking to organize companies & recruit new members. Unions provide their members with well defined negotiated contracts that are agreed to by the companies. How does that exclude anyone?

Originally Posted by tstom

The main point is this: If the typical (I do mean typical), treatment I have recieved at union companies is the usual experience, even half as much, for the average, non-union, Joe driver, it will be a cold day in hell before this industry goes union.

Again you do not explain this typical treatment that you usually experience so how can even the non-union Joe driver respond to your post?

Originally Posted by tstom

1. If you are taking this as a personal attack, you are reading me wrong. I was invited into this room. If I wanted to start trouble, I would have invited myself.

2. If what a complete stranger posts in a messageboard can make you defensive and angry...

Are you trying to say that by inviting yourself onto the non-union forum & posting your "venom" that you were not trying to start trouble? I rarely read any posts in the Non-Union Drivers only forum but when you start a thread & name it "One reason, unfortunately, why this industry may not go union in any big way..." then you caught my attention. You didn't start any trouble. You are entitled to post your opinions within the rules like everyone else

Originally Posted by tstom

. I think that this industry needs a union...

If you guys/gals can step back a moment and take my post in light of these, maybe we can have an intelligent discussion. If it's just going to be a pissing match, this will be my only say in here.

No not a pissing match, lets make it an intelligent discussion, but you will first have to be more specific about your position. Give us some general info like are you some type an owner operator or lease driver for a house account? What type of union companies are giving you these hard times? And what is it that they do to you that makes you hate them so badly?