im sorry

[paul wall]

its unfortunate that you went through that at conway. every night the line drivers come in work, the dock (if they choose to do so) or if their loads are ready they hook their sets and go. it is the drivers choice if he wants to wait off of the clock or work the dock.

Originally Posted by eolithic

I am confused here PW which side of the fence do you actually stand on? When Conway calls you to work at night and your hooks aren't done you do not get paid to wait unless of course you go do another job. I know when I was at Conway we never worked the dock before going out on a run so you waited for free. I also know that I worked like a dog when I was at Conway, work 14/16 hours and they are calling you at home after 6 or 7 hours to tell you to come in at whatever time. I can remember being called to come in at 6:30pm starting at 7pm getting back to the terminal between 9am/10:30am and by time you put your trailers away arrived yourself and all the other BS they require you to do it was 10am/11am by time you were going home and at 6pm the phone is ringing. Conway might pay good but you dont log everything you do or you would be running 3 shorts a week, they work people like dogs and get every ounce of 70 hours they can out of you. Oh I might add that they also like to call in new hires and after working 2 hours send them home, work him in the city one day and make him run nights the next day and back and forth. This happens all the time at Conway now maybe you could explain to us what "quality of life" is but then again maybe you cant because you are busy "living the dream" what a joke!

[paul wall]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Very good Brutus..... Union verses Non-Union has nothing to do with working for free.

VERY MUCH AGREED!

[Trip C]

Paul the reason that each man does his job is simple to explain and understand : If a driver did the fueling , hostling and hooking, why would the company hire anyone for any job other than a driver ? OK this is where the union over the years has "created" PAID positions for these job catagories. If the company could get the driver to hook his own set, pull it up to the pump fuel it then back it in the dock and load , why would the company need these other people ? If your a hostler then thank the Teamsters Union for insitsting that the company create this postion. If you fuel or hook or work the dock same thing. The company , if it was up to them, wouldnt hire anyone to do these positions, they would simply save the money. Instead, there are jobs created and thus families can be provided for. It is not lazyness that causes a driver to make the statement" its not my job" it is the union man in him backing up the other union mans job , making the the need for this union man to do his job. Does this help you understand ? If not maybe I can go further in detail. And please I do not want to hear "its for the unions dues" because that is a lame attempt to dismiss this explaination. The union created, in some part, YOUR job.

Trip

[paul wall]

i just dont see the point in waiting for someone else to do a job that any driver is capable of doing. im not going to get into "what if" situations, but if you use the equipment, you park it how you started it. fueled up and clean. why should i wait for someone else to fuel my truck when i need to be out in the city. why also should i wait for my set to be hooked when i am capable of doing it myself? i can see your point in creating a job title to do a certain function thus feeding families. and i never said nor was going to give the answer of "its for union dues".
as far as the whole "not my job" thing goes, not only is it ignorant, its a waste of my time and the companies money. therefore COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.

to follow up on your comment about the union in part creating my job is just silly. im a city driver/dockworker. its what i chose to be. i also have a number of other titles i can be called besides a**hole, fueler, hostler, placard flipper, set hooker..............the list goes on because its part of my job. it saves the company money and provides more than enough work for us. the whole point to my original post must have been misunderstood by you. i was just wondering why you guys couldnt have a contract that you all fall under the umbrella of what all us drivers are capable of doing?? if the contract were to come about union companies would be unbeatable.

Originally Posted by Trip C

Paul the reason that each man does his job is simple to explain and understand : If a driver did the fueling , hostling and hooking, why would the company hire anyone for any job other than a driver ? OK this is where the union over the years has "created" PAID positions for these job catagories. If the company could get the driver to hook his own set, pull it up to the pump fuel it then back it in the dock and load , why would the company need these other people ? If your a hostler then thank the Teamsters Union for insitsting that the company create this postion. If you fuel or hook or work the dock same thing. The company , if it was up to them, wouldnt hire anyone to do these positions, they would simply save the money. Instead, there are jobs created and thus families can be provided for. It is not lazyness that causes a driver to make the statement" its not my job" it is the union man in him backing up the other union mans job , making the the need for this union man to do his job. Does this help you understand ? If not maybe I can go further in detail. And please I do not want to hear "its for the unions dues" because that is a lame attempt to dismiss this explaination. The union created, in some part, YOUR job.

Trip

[Trip C]

Hey Paul , just do us all a favor become a stupidvisor then. I will offer no more explainations on union affairs and such. If you dont like the union then we dont want you either. We want people who are proud of thier job and who are proud to wait for another union man to come and do his job that the union helped create. Just become a stupidvisor since the mutal hate is already there.

[Apostolic]

Not to fuel the fire here.
But New Penn is a Teamster LTL company.
The drivers in my area that are working for them do it all.
They break,and strip inbound,load their route trailers make their deliveries and pickups,than load the outbound trailers.
I know about half of the drivers that work out of the Rochester terminal.
They are always maxing out their hours of service.
But the ones that have been doing it for many years,will let the newer hires have more work if they want.
They seem like they are always working together,New Penns always had a very low operating rate.
Like in the mid 80's.
Just my 2 cents following this thread.