How do the union guys do it??

[larry retired]

As everyone has said, it depends on your location and the contract language for that area. In Colorado, linehaul is separate from city/dock. In fact they are from different locals. Linehaul is local 961 and city is local 17. There is one case where your seniority will not help you. If you are on the city/dock seniority list and you don't have a CDL, you will be subordinate to someone who has a CDL if, after layoff, they need CDL qualified personnel. Also at outlying terminals they don't have linehaul and everyone is CDL qualified, so everything is purely by seniority.

[TheBigR]

I forgot to say that Larry, 2 separate locals, 449 for the road and 375 for the city, dock and yard. I'm not sure how they bid their jobs as I never worked there and never had much conversation with them.

[Overnite]

Originally Posted by Familyman

As some may have noticed if you check the FXF board that we have been having job cuts as has just about everyone in the world.

The difference is that our system is by board and not co seniority when we transfer from one to the other we go to the bottom, however since layoffs are kind of a new thing for us the way they have been doing the cuts is by co seniority in job class, if you have the opportunity to bump a none cdl dock then you go to the bottom of the city, if not then you are just plain gone.

There have been comments on how the union guys do it and since we can't discuss it there, you know why, I wanted to ask you guys here, in the proper forum.

Any unionized carriers that have separate board seniority how does it work there in regards to a voluntary transfer where there's an opening and you want it versus a forced where there is a cut back, are you out in the street while a new hire keeps his job in the city??

Thanks for any replies

FM

There is no one answer becuase every contract is different, and even different regions in the same contract can have different suppliments to the contract, but one thing is for sure with a union contract is is negoitiated for the majority of the employees, a company policy book just benefits the company. And can be changed.

[Familyman]

Thanks for all the replies, personally I feel if you transfer voluntarily then you should go to the bottom, but if forced, as in the case of work reduction, you should fall back where you were.

The way they are doing it is so jacked up it's not even funny, guys that are currently being put back to the city/dock are going behind the ones put back just a few months ago, instead of putting back by the way you came to the board they are cutting by co seniority not job class, why would you go by co seniority on one side then not on the other??

I would hate for Jeff to see this but I'm almost inclined to agree with him, the way it's being done now is so messed up they need to wipe it and just go by co time, it sucks for those that did their time at the bottom twice but it'll suck more if they get cut and lose their job or are out at the bottom of the dock after 10 plus years of service.

What a mess....

FM

[Puff Driver]

Good question.

It's hard to say since union LTL companies all go out of business they really don't last too long.

I would guess if your company went union they would experience the same thing. A few years of profit, then the walls come crashing in.

Fed Ex knows what they are doing, they seem to be able to weather this storm.

[larry retired]

Originally Posted by Puff Driver

Good question.

It's hard to say since union LTL companies all go out of business they really don't last too long.

I would guess if your company went union they would experience the same thing. A few years of profit, then the walls come crashing in.

Fed Ex knows what they are doing, they seem to be able to weather this storm.

If their LTL division wasn't part of a much larger and extremely successful business model, they would be in deep dodo like some others right now.