How do the union guys do it??

[BusterNite]

Originally Posted by Puff Driver

Good question.

It's hard to say since union LTL companies all go out of business they really don't last too long.

I would guess if your company went union they would experience the same thing. A few years of profit, then the walls come crashing in.

Fed Ex knows what they are doing, they seem to be able to weather this storm.

With 486 negative non factual posts, do you really think that anyone takes you serious. You have proven over and over that you are nothing more than a joke. I heard that your small time business is failing, Is that why you have more time to post your spin???

[larry retired]

Originally Posted by BusterNite

With 486 negative non factual posts, do you really think that anyone takes you serious. You have proven over and over that you are nothing more than a joke. I heard that your small time business is failing, Is that why you have more time to post your spin???

What is his small time business anyway? Does he sell his self produced sperm to sperm banks and drive it down there in his eighteen wheeler so he can call himself a trucking company? I'm just curious, I don't know.

[NPT]

Originally Posted by Familyman

As some may have noticed if you check the FXF board that we have been having job cuts as has just about everyone in the world.

The difference is that our system is by board and not co seniority when we transfer from one to the other we go to the bottom, however since layoffs are kind of a new thing for us the way they have been doing the cuts is by co seniority in job class, if you have the opportunity to bump a none cdl dock then you go to the bottom of the city, if not then you are just plain gone.

There have been comments on how the union guys do it and since we can't discuss it there, you know why, I wanted to ask you guys here, in the proper forum.

Any unionized carriers that have separate board seniority how does it work there in regards to a voluntary transfer where there's an opening and you want it versus a forced where there is a cut back, are you out in the street while a new hire keeps his job in the city??

Thanks for any replies

FM

Our terminals differ I believe..But ours works like this.
We bid in March for the year. April 1st,new bids start.
You can bid road or city...maybe the year starts with 35 road bids . Then their is a city bid sheet with start times.
There are so many start time bids. And then there is an extra board for the city.(a call list). The road stay road but the rest stay city. If a guy retires or someone quits or "throws- up" a city bid it is open...Anyone can bid for it.
When it gets busy they may add bids to either board. Anyone can bid on it. When it gets slow they cut city and road bids. If the bottom road guy gets his bid cut.....I believe he can bump in to a city bid or go on the extra board. In our barn they go onto the extra board in seniority order...Some people think they should go to the bottom of the extraboard no matter what but it doesn't work that way here. When they cut a city bid that guy can bump into whatever his seniority will get him......The city bids guarentee a 40 hour work week. The extra board does not even if you hold good seniority. If it's slow in the winter and you chose extra board, the guys with bids even though they are lower in seniority, will work but you may not.

This is pretty much the way it works at New Penn Reading,Pa...but our terminals do differ...I think some terminals only allow you to bid road or city for good...No changing boards. I'm glad we can change boards......but it is annoying when a guy gets a road bid and then it gets slow and he starts complaining that there isn't enough work.
Then the TM cuts his bid and he gets the best of both worlds all year. If he got the extraboard,no big deal...but some bottom guys take crappy dock bids and they have them all year until this happens....Then the road guy bumps in to a day bid, and knocks the whole barn back, knocking guys on the bottom, who already had crappy bids into even crappier bids and possibly onto the probably not working extra board. But that's seniority..And the bottom guys have that to look forward to. I don't think our senior guys ever get knocked to the bottom of the extra board. They go in, in seniority order. .......if the bottom road bid gets cut and he chooses extra board instead of a city bid,and the extra board is not working steady he will still sit home. But our tm's seem to respect seniority and will get him in if they can....I haven't seen a day when nobody from the extra board was called in. And if you are called in,you're gaurenteed 8 hours pay. I've seen plenty of days when only a few get called in in these past slow winters. And our bottom extra board guys did get layed off last year,maybe 7 out of our 100 man barn.
I think it's the 1st time our terminal ever laid off.

[jakebrake12]

Originally Posted by Familyman

Thanks for all the replies, personally I feel if you transfer voluntarily then you should go to the bottom, but if forced, as in the case of work reduction, you should fall back where you were.

The way they are doing it is so jacked up it's not even funny, guys that are currently being put back to the city/dock are going behind the ones put back just a few months ago, instead of putting back by the way you came to the board they are cutting by co seniority not job class, why would you go by co seniority on one side then not on the other??

I would hate for Jeff to see this but I'm almost inclined to agree with him, the way it's being done now is so messed up they need to wipe it and just go by co time, it sucks for those that did their time at the bottom twice but it'll suck more if they get cut and lose their job or are out at the bottom of the dock after 10 plus years of service.

What a mess....

FM

Just curious FM, say a road driver with 10 years was laid off or bumped to the bottom of the dock a few months ago - that terminal now needs a road driver - is that driver brought back or bumped back up with his seniority?

[NPT]

Originally Posted by NPT

Our terminals differ I believe..But ours works like this.
We bid in March for the year. April 1st,new bids start.
You can bid road or city...maybe the year starts with 35 road bids . Then their is a city bid sheet with start times.
There are so many start time bids. And then there is an extra board for the city.(a call list). The road stay road but the rest stay city. If a guy retires or someone quits or "throws- up" a city bid it is open...Anyone can bid for it.
When it gets busy they may add bids to either board. Anyone can bid on it. When it gets slow they cut city and road bids. If the bottom road guy gets his bid cut.....I believe he can bump in to a city bid or go on the extra board. In our barn they go onto the extra board in seniority order...Some people think they should go to the bottom of the extraboard no matter what but it doesn't work that way here. When they cut a city bid that guy can bump into whatever his seniority will get him......The city bids guarentee a 40 hour work week. The extra board does not even if you hold good seniority. If it's slow in the winter and you chose extra board, the guys with bids even though they are lower in seniority, will work but you may not.

This is pretty much the way it works at New Penn Reading,Pa...but our terminals do differ...I think some terminals only allow you to bid road or city for good...No changing boards. I'm glad we can change boards......but it is annoying when a guy gets a road bid and then it gets slow and he starts complaining that there isn't enough work.
Then the TM cuts his bid and he gets the best of both worlds all year. If he got the extraboard,no big deal...but some bottom guys take crappy dock bids and they have them all year until this happens....Then the road guy bumps in to a day bid, and knocks the whole barn back, knocking guys on the bottom, who already had crappy bids into even crappier bids and possibly onto the probably not working extra board. But that's seniority..And the bottom guys have that to look forward to. I don't think our senior guys ever get knocked to the bottom of the extra board. They go in, in seniority order. .......if the bottom road bid gets cut and he chooses extra board instead of a city bid,and the extra board is not working steady he will still sit home. But our tm's seem to respect seniority and will get him in if they can....I haven't seen a day when nobody from the extra board was called in. And if you are called in,you're gaurenteed 8 hours pay. I've seen plenty of days when only a few get called in in these past slow winters. And our bottom extra board guys did get layed off last year,maybe 7 out of our 100 man barn.
I think it's the 1st time our terminal ever laid off.

We just had three bids cut today. And I must correct my above statement.....It is not the road drivers who ask to bump in when it is slow....It is the union and the contract which states that if they are not making a certin amount of cash per week they are totally entitled to bump in. And this is fair to me.....The bottm three guys on our terminaals road list have barely worked in the past three weeks....And they all have over 10-12 years with the company....they are entightled to bump into whatever position their seniority allows..as should be IMO.

[Familyman]

Originally Posted by jakebrake12

Just curious FM, say a road driver with 10 years was laid off or bumped to the bottom of the dock a few months ago - that terminal now needs a road driver - is that driver brought back or bumped back up with his seniority?

Yes, that is how it's done, and exactly what happened in mine and several others at my terminals case. We were cut then they started competing in the pricing area and we were called back, we went back to our previous spots as policy dictates, didn't make a few guys happy that we got our spots back, however they weren't losing sleep when we were cut either. A sad fact in this society, it's all about me....

FM