10/02 McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden - Page 30

Northern Flash · #**175** (**permalink**) 10-08-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by skyqueen

Why do we poor people keep voting for republicans?

Because we are already struggling. And if Obama gets his tax policies in the White House, it will hurt us even more. By letting the current tax cuts expire, (which he will) it will cost families with children thousands of dollars per child. I can't afford any more taxes! How about you?

Northern Flash · #**176** (**permalink**) 10-08-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wild deuce

the 30 year senator (McSame) from Arizona hasn't erected any fences on the Arizona / Mexico boarder from what I can gather.

The fence has been started. However, it is taking much longer than it should. But, the fence is a Federal Govt. issue, not a Arizona Senator issue. McCain can't do much even if he wanted to about the fence.

jimmy g · #**177** (**permalink**) 10-08-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Flash

The fence has been started. However, it is taking much longer than it should. But, the fence is a Federal Govt. issue, not a Arizona Senator issue. McCain can't do much even if he wanted to about the fence.

On that one, I have to disagree. McCain is a US Senator from Arizona (a Border State with the fence eventually running along it). He IS the Federal Government in Arizona to a large extent. He may not be able to speed it up much-- but I guarantee he CAN slow it down. Especially since he meets regularly with La Raza, and has a campaign staff advisor that used to be a part of the Mexican Government.

This issue, and the hoaz of Global Warming are the main points where I leave McCain. This and , remember when he said "I will tell who's overspending, and you will know their names!"...Last week, he voted YES to the Government Takeover Bailout.....

Some Conservatives Angry at McCain Hispanic Outreach Adviser

Friday, February 15, 2008
WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain appears to be mending many fences with conservatives lately, but groups that advocate stronger immigration controls are still angry about policies that he's supported.

The latest evidence of the rift is brewing on conservative Web sites, blogs and radio shows, where many are questioning McCain's choice of Latino outreach adviser, Juan Hernandez.

Hernandez, who was born in Texas, served in former Mexican President Vicente Fox's cabinet, making him the first U.S. citizen to ever serve such a role. He has been an outspoken advocate for immigrants, both legal and illegal, and has appeared many times on cable television news, often promoting a McCain-sponsored bill that would have given many illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

In one clip, from 2001, Hernandez said that Mexicans who have been in the United States for generations should always think of "Mexico first." The video clip has been circulating on conservative sites, including those that advocate stronger enforcement against illegal immigrants.

Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that advocates reduced immigration, says that Hernandez is "a flamboyant supporter of open borders."

"He rejects in principle the idea that we should have assimilation and we should have border enforcement," Krikorian said. "McCain has appointed a former foreign government official to do his outreach to American citizens."

Krikorian wrote a column on the subject last month for the conservative National Review online magazine. He said that choosing Hernandez proves that McCain is not serious about border enforcement.

McCain has shifted his rhetoric on immigration, stating that he will secure the border first before considering any legalization plan, but he has never repudiated the immigration overhaul bill that he co-sponsored. In presidential debates, McCain showed a softer tone than other Republicans on immigration, saying several times that illegal immigrants are "God's children."

In an essay last year, Hernandez strikes a similar position, saying that "comprehensive reform is consistent with the Christian values of mercy and compassion towards strangers."

Hernandez was born in Fort Worth and has a Mexican father and an American mother, according to a biography on his Web site. He was a professor at the University of Texas at Dallas, where he founded the Center for U.S.-Mexico Studies. He has also been a senior fellow at the Reform Institute, a nonprofit think tank started by McCain and others. He is on leave from the institute while he volunteers for the McCain campaign.

In theFox administration in Mexico, Hernandez headed the President's Office for Mexicans Abroad, a

Kurt · #**178** (**permalink**) 10-08-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Flash

Because we are already struggling. And if Obama gets his tax policies in the White House, it will hurt us even more. By letting the current tax cuts expire, (which he will) it will cost families with children thousands of dollars per child. I can't afford any more taxes! How about you?

How big was your George Bush tax cut?

Kurt · #**179** (**permalink**) 10-08-2008, 10:42 PM

I don't understand this poll. It says, "Who will win the whitehouse?"
Not, "Who do you plan to vote for?" or "Who do you want in the Whitehouse?"

I think McCain will win. But I ain't votin' for him.

Call me crazy, but I happen to like having job security, vacation, healthcare, and a pension. Call me crazy, but I happen to like the idea of having things manufactured right here in America by well paid employees -- who use those good wages to go out and buy more things that were made right here in America -- so that I can haul the

in the back of my truck from factories right here in America to stores owned by people right here in America........ But I digress.

Kurt · #**180** (**permalink**) 10-08-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy g

Realists? Here's still not the full site I've been searching for; BUT.....

These pending tax increases will be devastating for average American families. A typical family will pay $500 more per child in taxes, and 43 million families with children will face an average tax increase of $2,323. American families are facing higher costs in the grocery line and at the gas pump. Americans deserve to keep more of their income. If Congress allows the President's tax relief to expire:

A single parent with two children earning $30,000 would see an increase of over $1,600 in taxes.
A family of four earning $40,000 would see an increase of over $2,300 in taxes.
A family of four earning $50,000 would see an increase of over $2,100 in taxes – an increase 191 percent.
A family of four earning $60,000 would see a tax increase of approximately $1,901 in taxes – an increase of 70 percent.
A family of four earning $80,000 would see a tax increase of about $2,000 in taxes.

Obama's Tax and Spend Economics will devastate our economy-- make this current crisis look like recess.

Is this the Tax and Spend devastation you speak of?
w w w .barackobama.com/taxes/

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Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:

Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.

Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.

Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.

Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.

Under the Obama Plan:

Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.

Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.

Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.

Impact of the Obama Tax Plan:

WHO: Married Couple Making $75,000 with two children, one of whom is in college
TAX CUT: $3,700 [includes $1,000 Making Work Pay; $500 universal mortgage credit; and $4,000 college credit net of current college credits]

WHO: Married Couple making $90,000
TAX CUT: $1,000

WHO: Single Parent making $40,000 with two young children and childcare expenses.
TAX CUT: $2,100 [includes $500 making work pay; $500 universal mortgage credit, and $1,100 from Obama expansion of the child care tax credit]

WHO: 70-Year Old Widow Making $35,000
TAX CUT:$1,900