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10-18-2008, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by USA TRKR  I'm all for the fair tax. Across the board. We would save millions getting rid of all the IRS fools and everyone else on that payroll. | Actually let me make it more clear. Flat Tax.
Just in case they come up another meaning for fair tax or there may be one already.
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10-18-2008, 09:25 PM
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What I have to say the Obama supporter will hate seeing, but here goes.
Obama Murder of women and Children. True, His and the rest of the Terrorist supporting Democrats who Voted for the withdrawal of our troops from Iraq gave encouragement to the terrorist. I lived over in the Philippines during that time. I knew they voted for that by what I saw happenig outside of my window. Philippine Army bombing terrorist homes up in the mountains, 13 Women Children were killed each and every time.
Plus I pay enough tyaxes, I am against the Communist style health plan they are pushing. It will not work better but 10000% worst, just look at Canada....
We just seen since 2007 how it will be under Democrat rule, Wake up Bush can not cause all the problems, but the Democrats has proven they ae poor economist... Always our economy goes down under democrats, and raised under republicans. If you say different all I cab say WAKE UP!!!!!!
Obama gets in, my biggest question is WHO GOING TO SAVE US FROM THE DICTATOR WORST than who we helped remove all through history....
SAVE AMERICA SEND THE DEMOCRATS PACKING TO PRISON NOT OFFICE!!!!!!!!
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10-18-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by USA TRKR Actually let me make it more clear. Flat Tax.
Just in case they come up another meaning for fair tax or there may be one already. | It is not a flat tax. It is a national retail tax on "high end" items. By eliminating all fed. taxes and costs... costs that are referred to as "embedded" taxes because they are a result of taxing everything from the raw product, to manufacturing, to wages, to transportation,... on and on... by eliminating all of these taxes, approx. 23% of the cost of everything purchased in this country, whether houses or cars or boats or whatever... would be eliminated. This Fair Tax would replace that as a 23% national retail tax. Only those who buy the product would pay the tax. The actual cost of the item would remain the same as now due to elimination of all embedded taxes. Additionally, spending power would be increased due to the elimination of the Fed. Income tax, resulting in an increase in paychecks by essentially your tax bracket... 23% or 28% or... And eliminating the IRS frees up literally hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars in taxes for use toward things such as education, infrastructure and so on. It's a win win for everyone except lobbyists and politicians dependent upon money from lobbyists.
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10-18-2008, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ryerke I would have to question the motives of someone that wants a particular candidate to win but isn't going to vote for that candidate.
That being said, get out and vote!
Furthermore, I think that liberalism is a mental disorder (deja vous.) | I like Jerry Lewis too...     |
10-18-2008, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ptif219 I live in Florida and my wife and I already voted absentee ballot including voting marriage is a man and a woman.
Obama has a tax plan that is nothing mor than tax welfare.
From CNS News
The heart of Obama’s tax cut proposal is in his use of refundable tax credits, which the Center describes as “credits available to eligible households even if they have no income tax liability” -- in short, refunds available even to those who don’t pay taxes. These refunds are claimed on tax returns and are paid to all taxpayers who qualify for them, regardless of whether they owe taxes or not. These refunds have the ability of reducing a taxpayer’s liability below zero, meaning they can get a refund without actually paying taxes.
In real numbers, 60.7 million people who have no tax burden at all will receive refunds from Obama, while only 33.8 million people, who pay approximately 40 percent of income taxes, will get any kind of refund. Twenty percent of taxpayers, who pay 87.5 percent of total income taxes, will actually see after-tax income decline under Obama by nearly two percent, according to the Center.
By using these refunds, Obama is able to claim that he is giving a tax cut to 95 percent of households, although only 62 percent of households pay any income taxes at all. This means that Obama’s tax plan calls for giving money to some households that do not pay taxes, including a plan to make community college “essentially free” and pay 10 percent of the interest on all mortgages.
The problem with Obama’s characterization that his proposals are tax cuts is that refundable credits are calculated as outlays, or direct spending, not as reductions in tax rates, according to the Center. This means that, in budgetary terms, some of Obama’s tax cuts are actually spending increases.
The Tax Policy Center estimates that Obama’s spending proposals will be so large that they effectively eliminate income taxes for 15 million households, increasing the percentage of households that pay no taxes from 37.8 percent to 48.1 percent. | CSN is an organization run by The Media Research Group, a known right-wing support organization...
From MRG: On October 1, 1987, a group of young determined conservatives set out to not only prove — through sound scientific research — that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values, but also to neutralize its impact on the American political scene...
Don't believe everything you read.
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10-18-2008, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Coastie What I have to say the Obama supporter will hate seeing, but here goes.
Obama Murder of women and Children. True, His and the rest of the Terrorist supporting Democrats who Voted for the withdrawal of our troops from Iraq gave encouragement to the terrorist. I lived over in the Philippines during that time. I knew they voted for that by what I saw happenig outside of my window. Philippine Army bombing terrorist homes up in the mountains, 13 Women Children were killed each and every time.
Plus I pay enough tyaxes, I am against the Communist style health plan they are pushing. It will not work better but 10000% worst, just look at Canada....
We just seen since 2007 how it will be under Democrat rule, Wake up Bush can not cause all the problems, but the Democrats has proven they ae poor economist... Always our economy goes down under democrats, and raised under republicans. If you say different all I cab say WAKE UP!!!!!!
Obama gets in, my biggest question is WHO GOING TO SAVE US FROM THE DICTATOR WORST than who we helped remove all through history....
SAVE AMERICA SEND THE DEMOCRATS PACKING TO PRISON NOT OFFICE!!!!!!!! | lol...wow... this already is a dictatorship to an extent. Republican... Democrat... all pigs feeding at the taxpayer trough.
But I digress, you are right about the health plan (kind of... it's socialistic, not communistic). I don't want that plan either. I want the medical plan our 545 Federal representatives and leaders have!!! Why do they have to devise a plan just for us??? Ask yourself that... Just make the system they gave themselves universal to all of us. Afterall, WE PAY FOR IT! I want free medical for life... JUST LIKE THEY GET!
I also want their retirement plan. Hell, I want all the benefits they voted to give themselves with MY F***ing MONEY!!!! I want annual guaranteed pay raises... JUST LIKE THEY GET! And I want 185 days off a year, including TWO FREAKING WEEKS for every national holiday... JUST LIKE THEY GET!!!
And people like you, who keep voting them back in because they are Republicans or Democrats... I want YOU TO WAKE UP! If you had a clue, you'd get rid of the vast majority of ALL of them, Republican AND Democrat. Obama is NOT the problem. People who vote like sheep are the problem.
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