[quote=Arby;436005] You show you are a far left wing socialist like Obama.You won't make a commitment what is to much tax.You try to justify tax welfare which is wealth redistribution saying you agree with Obama making us a socialist country.When Obama makes us socialist country religion will have no rights and the constitution will be used for toilet paper.

[quote=ptif219;436037]I did commit - When taxation provents one from living within their means, that's too much.

And you again show ignorance of what Socialism is and is not. The Democratic Socialist countries of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zeland, Iceland, etc., are light years ahead of the USA in Education, Health Care, Life Expectancy, Infant Mortality, Retirement Planning, Energy Efficiency etc., ...

The USSR, China, N. Korea are (were) not Socialist, they are (were)Totalitarian and no better then the Thocratic society you subscribe to...

Democratic Socialism works and is not anti-capitalism. All the Democratic Socialist countries above are Capitalistic just like the USA - only better at it...

They do not interfere with religion. Personal freedoms and liberties are greater than in the USA and yes, they have constitutions.

Do the Republican-Theocrats have indoctrination camps for you people?

/Obama

Its apparent you have have not been to any of these countries.
Freedoms? You better do more homework.

[quote=Arby;436068]Wait till Ayres brings Venezuela's schools here.

So if those countries are so great why are you still here.

So you think people who don't pay taxes should get a tax refund.You also think paying 50% of your income in taxes is ok.

I think many drivers disagree with you.

As for no forcing churches we already had a Bible publisher sued by a gay.how about this in countries you claim have no problems.

No Free Speech in Preaching | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction


A Swedish court sentenced a Pentecostal pastor to one month in prison after finding him guilty of offending homosexuals in a sermon. The case was the first trial test of the national law against incitement as applied to speech about homosexuals.

Last year during a sermon delivered in the east coast town of Borgholm, Ake Green described homosexuality as "abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society." He called homosexuals "perverts, whose sexual drive the Devil has used as his strongest weapon against God."

During proceedings, the public prosecutor, Kjell Yngvesson, played a tape recording from the sermon. According to the church newspaper Kyrkans Tidning, he justified the arrest by saying, "One may have whatever religion one wishes, but [the sermon] is an attack on all fronts against homosexuals. Collecting Bible [verses] on this topic as he does makes this hate speech."



Stopping free speech in churches is not far off.You say not but thats what they said in the 50's about school prayer and abortion or in the 80's about imminent domain.

So Arby, what you are saying is it's ok to tax the american people right up to where they can't live decently anymore, just enough so that they can stay within their means...and that is the cutoff....Ok, I'll buy that, if you do the following:

Please define "within their means"...and let's take everything into account...necessary must haves, anything you see as luxury, any extras or emergency situations...

I voted Obama/Biden. The right has shown thier true colors that of dollar green and the fact they do not want the common working man to have it. I find it amusing that WallStreet has welcomed the socialism of our banks,I guess when the rich go broke and come to us the working taxpayer to retain thier fortunes is just A-OK in the republican playbook, funny I thought they were about market-forces, so I assumed they would let these greedy S.O.B.'s rot like the slime they are, and they are in expecting the taxpayer to pony up $$ so as they can retain thier fortunes. so I figure when Obama is elected and he will be, the markets should go gangbusters at the thought of a populist running the show. I know I will sleep much better knowing someone other than a greedy corportist is in charge.. Bring on Obama and the EFCA !! And maybe just maybe the working stiff will stand a chance at the American dream, because Lord knows G.Bush and Reaganomics have trickled nothing but urine our way for far too long. Personally I am tired of having D.C. whizzz on my back and tell me it's raining !!