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Obama/Biden 202 29.97%
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Old 10-30-2008, 07:08 PM
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Larry it is nice to see someone understand that, not to many people remember what was taught to them in school on the subject.
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If you have to put quotes around it...is it really a fact?

I've seen a lot of "facts" on these boards...but damn near none of them reference anything. Without references, irregardless of which way the point is intended to lean, it doesn't hold much water.

This is exactly why I offered my sources when refuting the Obama attack adds. This way the readers may decide for themselves whether the footnoted material is true or not based on the authors credentials and integrity.

I find it humorous that many of our fellow members would quote Jerome R Corsi despite all the fact checking organizations that have lambasted his book for being "inaccurate" in the majority of what he wrote. The usual refrain I got was "the liberal media is biased." Too bad there are unbiased organizations such as fact check.org that went over the book carefully and investigated the allegations he made only to find he used himself as a source for many of the allegations, took statements out of their proper context to make them appear sinister, and even attempted to try the "guilt by association" trick with Kenyan official Odinga. Corsi was roundly chastised and labeled a "hack" but we still have people believing what he wrote.

Just goes to show you; "you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink."
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My Decision 08

I’m voting Democrat because like most Americans I trust Lawyers more than anyone else, I think only lawyers should run the government, and all the Democrat Leaders are lawyers: Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Joe Biden, John Edwards, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Leader Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry, to name just a few. (Al Gore dropped out of Law School, so I don’t trust him as much, except on Global Warming.)



I’m voting Democrat because the Democrats support the trial lawyers and I think this country needs more lawsuits and less tort reform. And I don’t believe the trial lawyers’ contributions have a thing to do with it.



I’m voting Democrat because Congress has done such a wonderful job under Democrat leadership the last two years, that I want a lot more of the same.



I’m voting Democrat because I want to get my health care from the same competent, efficient, cost-effective, customer-service-focused folks who run the US Post Office, the Pentagon, FEMA and the state Registry of Motor Vehicles.



I'm voting Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has promised to cut the taxes of 95% of the people, including the 30% who don’t pay taxes.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has promised to take away the secret ballot in union elections, and I think the union bosses should know if a workingman or woman is with them, or against them.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has over three years experience in the Federal Government, and “Hope” is a great strategy.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama voted “present” instead of “yes” or “no” over 120 times in the Illinois State Senate, and I think we need a decisive president.



I’m voting Democrat because I think that drilling for American oil is foolish, when we can buy oil from the Middle East.



I’m voting Democrat because I think windmills (except off Hyannis) are a better answer to reliable, clean energy than Nuclear Energy.



I’m voting Democrat because I don’t think we give enough to other countries in foreign aid.



I’m voting Democrat because I’m for putting up barriers to free trade, as they did in 1930 with the Smoot-Hawley bill. That made things much better then.



I’m voting Democrat because I miss the high unemployment, inflation and interest rates of the Jimmy Carter years.



I’m voting Democrat because parents shouldn’t get to choose the school their kids go to. Parents should leave their children’s education to the teachers and stay out of it.



I’m voting Democrat because I think this is the perfect time to raise the Capital Gains tax and drive investment money out of the stock market.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene, but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would, and I want to spread my wealth around to those who earn less—or nothing.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because, when we pull out of Iraq, I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about restoring partial birth abortions so long as we keep all death row murderers alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that small businesses should not be allowed to make a profit. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution to people who didn’t start businesses.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the law is what judges say it is, and not what legislators say—or the constitution.



I’m voting Democrat because the media would call me a racist if I didn’t
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No, no brain washing needed. I simply took the time to speak to my friends and family and showed them my source material on line. Politifact was a major factor in correcting alot of the misinformation about Obama being spread as well as other sites such as cnn and fact check.org. Media matters was pretty informative and so were the sites CitizenJane, and FivethirtyEight.com

Once you start showing others the attack adds and then the truth about those adds, using reputable, mainstream, organizations and commentators with integrity, they have a tendency to get truly angry about being misled. They start questioning every attack add and start researching the answers for themselves. The key was to empower them to look for the truth rather than accept the rhetoric and believe everything they heard or read.

The only thing worse than being manipulated and lied to by some of these erroneous adds is the belief that the general public is too stupid to know better or have the sense to do some research about the adds and claims.
You have to be joking , you know as well as everyone else does that those sights are left leaning so tell me how objective are they? I hear you and others lambaste anyone that quotes from any other source that is not the mainstream or left leaning and then try to claim what you get from them are factual when lets see , Media Matters alone Hillary boasted that she helped start and it is funded in large part by George Soros a very Left wing supporter ,who also helps fund Moveon.Org .

It is nice spin though that you would say everything from them is factual bu that is alright that you think they do as for researching you have to go to multiple sources and most who post on here do so follow the links and you will notice that they all are from differing sources but as most news originates from the AP it all crosses over at one point or another it comes down to interpretation and what ever your leanings are will determine that.
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My Decision 08

I’m voting Democrat because like most Americans I trust Lawyers more than anyone else, I think only lawyers should run the government, and all the Democrat Leaders are lawyers: Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Joe Biden, John Edwards, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Leader Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry, to name just a few. (Al Gore dropped out of Law School, so I don’t trust him as much, except on Global Warming.)



I’m voting Democrat because the Democrats support the trial lawyers and I think this country needs more lawsuits and less tort reform. And I don’t believe the trial lawyers’ contributions have a thing to do with it.



I’m voting Democrat because Congress has done such a wonderful job under Democrat leadership the last two years, that I want a lot more of the same.



I’m voting Democrat because I want to get my health care from the same competent, efficient, cost-effective, customer-service-focused folks who run the US Post Office, the Pentagon, FEMA and the state Registry of Motor Vehicles.



I'm voting Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has promised to cut the taxes of 95% of the people, including the 30% who don’t pay taxes.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has promised to take away the secret ballot in union elections, and I think the union bosses should know if a workingman or woman is with them, or against them.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has over three years experience in the Federal Government, and “Hope” is a great strategy.



I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama voted “present” instead of “yes” or “no” over 120 times in the Illinois State Senate, and I think we need a decisive president.



I’m voting Democrat because I think that drilling for American oil is foolish, when we can buy oil from the Middle East.



I’m voting Democrat because I think windmills (except off Hyannis) are a better answer to reliable, clean energy than Nuclear Energy.



I’m voting Democrat because I don’t think we give enough to other countries in foreign aid.



I’m voting Democrat because I’m for putting up barriers to free trade, as they did in 1930 with the Smoot-Hawley bill. That made things much better then.



I’m voting Democrat because I miss the high unemployment, inflation and interest rates of the Jimmy Carter years.



I’m voting Democrat because parents shouldn’t get to choose the school their kids go to. Parents should leave their children’s education to the teachers and stay out of it.



I’m voting Democrat because I think this is the perfect time to raise the Capital Gains tax and drive investment money out of the stock market.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene, but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would, and I want to spread my wealth around to those who earn less—or nothing.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because, when we pull out of Iraq, I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about restoring partial birth abortions so long as we keep all death row murderers alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that small businesses should not be allowed to make a profit. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution to people who didn’t start businesses.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the law is what judges say it is, and not what legislators say—or the constitution.



I’m voting Democrat because the media would call me a racist if I didn’t
That's awesome!!!!
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If you have to put quotes around it...is it really a fact?

I've seen a lot of "facts" on these boards...but damn near none of them reference anything. Without references, irregardless of which way the point is intended to lean, it doesn't hold much water.

Are you for real.........I put the quotes around facts to emphasize the word. There is that better? No quotes. Is that the best defense you can come up with. There are many references with links all over this forum. Sorry you missed them.
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