Thread: Buy Insurance or Go To Jail

they only need 50 votes to pass it through, instead of 60 votes. I think this is called reconciliation.

51 votes a simple majority. it is supposed to only be used for buget issues.

Originally Posted by stoneyABF

First of all, that 46 million number is seriously flawed. The U.S. Census Bureau who came up with that number also breaks it down this way.

About 10 million uninsured are not citizens and half of them are illegal immigrants.

Roughly 9 or 10 million make $50,000 or more that can afford some sort of insurance. But chose not to buy it.

Another 9 or 10 million actually have access and qualify to get Medicare or Medicaid, but either do not know they can or again chose not to get it.

5 million or so are people just between jobs usually and are out of work on average of 3 months. (BEFORE 2008&2009)

And finally, 5 million or so are just kids between the age of 18 and 30 who don't make $50,000 but still chose not to get insurance from their employer or one their own, because they don't think the ever get sick. I know, I used to be one of them.

Now these number I gave do vary from source ti source. But they all are pretty close to each other.

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The Raw Story » Study: 45,000 Americans die each year for lack of insurance

Study: 45,000 Americans die each year for lack of insurance

Harvard researchers published Thursday in the American Journal of Public Health a study which reveals roughly 45,000 American adults die every year because they are not covered by health insurance.

Originally Posted by wizzard

These wealthy CEOs buy cars and boats, hire nannys and pool boys. They eat at restaraunts, pay the plumber, electrician and landscaper. They give to charities, buy new clothes and pay to have them cleaned and pressed. they spend money that fuels the economy much better than government would.

Oh, before I forget; They, being among the top 5% of earners, pay 95% of the taxes....

How about giving working people more money so they can spend it on all those goodies.

Your tax example is a red herring.

The Raw Story | Billionaire Buffett still complaining his taxes are too low

Multi-billionaire Warren Buffett has been complaining for years that his taxes are too low. Last June, he said at a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton that he was taxed at only 17.7% last year on his $46 million in income, while his secretary paid 30% of her $60,000.

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Originally Posted by wjk

Government programs are not to be profitable. They are for the benefit of the people.

I trust government over corporations. I do not hear any outrage from those citizens on Medicare. Many problems that are in the Medicare system is the result of legislation put in that was backed by corporations so that they could sell supplemental insurance to fill in the holes.
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Wrong. Government entitlment programs have to profitable, in order to stay live. There should always be more than enough. Like a cushion if you will. A safety net for lean times like now.
But regardless. Medicare and Social Security will go broke sooner rather than later because of the recession. With millions of baby boomers beginning to leave the work force, the cost of these popular benefit programs threatens to swamp the government in debt in the coming years if nothing is done.
Medicare fund will be depleted in 2017, just eight years from now and two years earlier than estimated just a year ago. The Social Security trust fund will be exhausted in 2037, four years earlier than predicted a year ago.

Medicare, Social Security going broke sooner in recession | Politics | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
Fix is hard for Medicare, Social Security finances

Easy fix for Social Security

Well, what if we tried something as simple as doing away with the current cap on taxable earnings? As it stands, workers pay a 6.2 percent tax on everything they make up to $90,000 (their employers pay an equal amount).

The upshot is that someone making $50,000 a year pays the full 6.2 percent into the Social Security system, while someone making $5 million a year pays only about 0.1 percent.

Goss may not espouse a particular solution, but he has run the numbers down his slide rule. And getting rid of the $90,000 cap would have a dramatic effect on Social Security's 75-year, $4 trillion deficit.

"It would eliminate the deficit entirely," Goss said.

Better still, it would even leave the program with a surplus, at least until 2090 or so.

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The Medicare problem will be solved with a single Payer/Medicare for all program wear all people were in the program. Not just those in society that use health care the most like the elderly. Private insurers dump all the sick people so they can make a profit. Hell of a plan, only insure those who don't need the service. Every one else pay out of pocket or die.

Originally Posted by wjk

How about giving working people more money so they can spend it on all those goodies.

Your tax example is a red herring.

The Raw Story | Billionaire Buffett still complaining his taxes are too low

Multi-billionaire Warren Buffett has been complaining for years that his taxes are too low. Last June, he said at a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton that he was taxed at only 17.7% last year on his $46 million in income, while his secretary paid 30% of her $60,000.

First-- WHY would the government "Give" people money? Where would they get it, since they have no money unless they steal it From someone else, or simply print it?

Secondly-- Buffett always has the opportunity to donate ALL of his money to the government if he REALLY believed what he says. He simply wants to gripe, show an opportunity for political points. Apparently he actually wants to keep it for himself, or he would need all those accountants and lawyers.....Buffett's secretary pays taxes on earnings; Buffett pays taxes on Capital Gains, which he hides, and pays at a lower rate.....

Study: 45,000 Americans die each year for lack of insurance

so no insurance and they die? I wonder how many were claims denied by medicare, after all they deny more claims than any other insurer.

The upshot is that someone making $50,000 a year pays the full 6.2 percent into the Social Security system, while someone making $5 million a year pays only about 0.1 percent.

why simple answer, govt over sight. When the system was originally put into place $90K was a ton and very few people made over that, thus 80 years later it has not been adjusted. Lets give them HC to run. Another answer, most politicans are loaded and they dont want to give their own money just yours.
How about cutting taxes, giving people more of what they make and stop subsidizing everything.

Multi-billionaire Warren Buffett has been complaining for years that his taxes are too low. Last June, he said at a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton that he was taxed at only 17.7% last year on his $46 million in income, while his secretary paid 30% of her $60,000.

what is higher 17.7% of $46,000,000 or 30% of $60,000- hints, it is the first one. Thus, the arguement is bogus because Warren paid more in taxes. However, Dems like to use percentages when it fits the narrative. Raw dollars when that is better for them.