Thread: Middle Class American Dream Fading

Originally Posted by jimmy g

What's confusing about it? ALL of our programs are financed by the Chinese; it's not really our tax-money being spent-- it's their bond money backing up our worthless dollars. Now they want something in return. We reap what we sow.....

That is so true.

Does anyone really believe that some company is going to come out of nowhere, start building wind turbines and all the associated equipment involved in developing wind power
and pay the American workers a decent days pay, with full benefits and a pension plan?

I got a bridge I need to sell cheap too.

Originally Posted by stoneyABF

Your wrong about the taxes increasing the deficit. When you cut taxes, it create more revenue to the government. But I will concede the fact that when taxes were cut, spending did go up. Kinda like the government saw all this new money, and just went on a spending spree.

For as much as as I liked Reagan and Bush. One of the biggest faults between the two of them, was their spending.

Maybe that's what you meant about cutting taxes increases the deficit.

So let me say this, we need to cut taxes AND SPENDING!!!

And I for one don't think its the government responsibility to create jobs. I believe that the free market should be the only one creating jobs.

I think its lazy Americans that think the government should create jobs. Just have a job handed to them because they think they deserve it.

I agree with most of what you say, Stoney. But one thing is different then it used to be back in the day.

We don't have a truly free market anymore.

What we _DO_ have is too many attorneys, who become politicians, and enact so many new laws, regulations and trade agreements that we are stuck in an economic doldrum of sorts, one in which we cannot be freed from until we the people start complaining so loud that they can hear us way down
in Washington, DC.

Until that day comes, if ever, I wouldn't expect to see much positive change in the US.

Originally Posted by ranger309

That is so true.

Does anyone really believe that some company is going to come out of nowhere, start building wind turbines and all the associated equipment involved in developing wind power
and pay the American workers a decent days pay, with full benefits and a pension plan?

I got a bridge I need to sell cheap too.

Which is exactly why the Chairman of General Electric is on the White House staff, an Obie "advisor". GE makes all the windmills here in the USA. Windmills are THE part of Cap and Tax where the power comes from. Much like T Boone Pickens pushes gas turbines and windmills-- those are his investments. Much like algore pushes carbon-credits-- he owns most of the way they are to be paid off, as well as a major part of Occidental Oil, which got the contracts when Enron went under. Follow the money. Politics is corrupt. And the most corrupt party has Always been the "Pure, For the Working Class" Democrats..........(the Repubs are too, but far more clumsy about it. Dems have it down to a science.) The "new" part of them is, with Obie's Admin, they no longer try to even hide their corruptness or their communist agenda-- or that the Media is their partner and cheerleader-- and the American People don't seem to care.....

Originally Posted by ranger309

That is so true.

Does anyone really believe that some company is going to come out of nowhere, start building wind turbines and all the associated equipment involved in developing wind power
and pay the American workers a decent days pay, with full benefits and a pension plan?

I got a bridge I need to sell cheap too.

You guys don't emulate the 'can do' spirit that America is (was?) known for........


Two companies that encountered political backlash for their plans to use Chinese-made wind turbines to build a giant wind farm in west Texas have announced plans to build a new turbine factory — in the United States.


After Chinese Turbine Controversy, Companies Plan American Plant - Green Inc. Blog - NYTimes.com

Originally Posted by ranger309

I agree with most of what you say, Stoney. But one thing is different then it used to be back in the day.

We don't have a truly free market anymore.

What we _DO_ have is too many attorneys, who become politicians, and enact so many new laws, regulations and trade agreements that we are stuck in an economic doldrum of sorts, one in which we cannot be freed from until we the people start complaining so loud that they can hear us way down
in Washington, DC.

Until that day comes, if ever, I wouldn't expect to see much positive change in the US.

Your very right Ranger. Sad, but true.