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Serene Gene said:
Yeah, I included that in "angry". I don't run into a lot of "happily frustrated" drivers.
Were there 14 happy drivers at xwc and 14 angry drivers at xwc? It's a big pot of emotions, asking questions and educating ones self is obvious. Some drivers don't care some care a lot. I care about what we collectively let this former and current company become in terms of health and welfare. I'm not happy and I'm not angry, if I came to work angry then my attitude and performance would show it in the work place. I'm frustrated and believe I'm not alone.


Filing a ULP is free and there is no penalty for filing complete bulls***. Simply filing a charge says nothing about its merit- and based on the number of filings against Con-way and XPO that end up being withdrawn without any settlement or hearing, it's just another form of propaganda for the campaign.



Hey, I think everyone agrees that was a stupid thing to do- we're making progress!
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Filing ulp can be silly at times. Read one about discipline in Laredo that seemed silly. Also read of Conway driver fired during their campaign who received his job back or the rights that are now clear for drayage or refusal to bargain in good faith. Those are clear cases where validity.
Serene Gene said:
Yeah, I included that in "angry". I don't run into a lot of "happily frustrated" drivers.



Filing a ULP is free and there is no penalty for filing complete bulls***. Simply filing a charge says nothing about its merit- and based on the number of filings against Con-way and XPO that end up being withdrawn without any settlement or hearing, it's just another form of propaganda for the campaign.



Hey, I think everyone agrees that was a stupid thing to do- we're making progress!
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Serene Gene said:
Yeah, I included that in "angry". I don't run into a lot of "happily frustrated" drivers.



Filing a ULP is free and there is no penalty for filing complete bulls***. Simply filing a charge says nothing about its merit- and based on the number of filings against Con-way and XPO that end up being withdrawn without any settlement or hearing, it's just another form of propaganda for the campaign.



Hey, I think everyone agrees that was a stupid thing to do- we're making progress!
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Serene Gene said:
I'm not sure where you work, but I make a lot more now than I did when we took those cuts- well above 5 percent more. Are you planning to hold that grudge until they issue a 5% raise specifically to return Con-way's "snatchback"? Don't hold your breath for that.



Now wait a minute. Either we never got it back, or we got it back a couple years later. Which one is it?
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Well....Everyone else keeps bringing up how bad the union screwed YRC but I'm supposed to forget what happened to us and not hold a grudge? I dont hold a grudge, I just don't forget. Geeeeezzzz
 
smokin'joe said:
Well....Everyone else keeps bringing up how bad the union screwed YRC but I'm supposed to forget what happened to us and not hold a grudge? I dont hold a grudge, I just don't forget. Geeeeezzzz
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It's important not to forget and also remind those that may not have experienced what happened.

Why?

" Those that do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. "
 
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smokin'joe said:
icuicp said:
It's important not to forget and also remind those that my not have experienced what happened.

Why?

" Those that do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. "
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Somehow that doesn't ring true to some.
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It really doesn't apply, since no one here made the decision to cut wages a decade ago- there's nothing for us to repeat.

smokin'joe said:
Everyone else keeps bringing up how bad the union screwed YRC but I'm supposed to forget what happened to us and not hold a grudge? I dont hold a grudge, I just don't forget. Geeeeezzzz
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It was different management, in a different company, in the midst of the biggest recession of our lifetime, and we got those pay levels back. And again, it was almost 10 years ago- it's no longer relevant. YRC still hasn't recovered their concessions from 2009 so that's current events, especially if someone is trying to sell the idea to XPO employees that the union will protect your wages and your retirement.
 
Serene Gene said:
It really doesn't apply, since no one here made the decision to cut wages a decade ago- there's nothing for us to repeat.

It does apply....Our previous management wasn't a group that had cut wages and bennies before either until they cut ours.

If you want to live in the alter-universe where we got our 5% back, go ahead.
You are correct...We have received raises, but not from our original pay rate when we took the cut. We were given raises off of a reduced rate, so I don't agree with you in that portion.

As well as "not current" events, we did lose more than 5%...We also had a 401k match suspension that was to be reinstated after the ship was righted, but of course that will never happen either so that to me is still a concession we're giving 9 years later.


It was different management, in a different company, in the midst of the biggest recession of our lifetime, and we got those pay levels back. And again, it was almost 10 years ago- it's no longer relevant. YRC still hasn't recovered their concessions from 2009 so that's current events, especially if someone is trying to sell the idea to XPO employees that the union will protect your wages and your retirement.
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Maltman said:
Just below $26 and ¢61.1 where I'm at. Some more competitive areas get a little more some rural terminals get a little less
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So you didn't know there pay in 2018 for road is 72cpm if I'm not mistaken there rate now is .68cpm and 27-28hr now seems like a big gap in pay to me.
 
troubleman84 said:
So you didn't know there pay in 2018 for road is 72cpm if I'm not mistaken there rate now is .68cpm and 27-28hr now seems like a big gap in pay to me.
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$27 to $28hr compared to$26.60hr ain't that big but ¢68 to ¢62.7 is a good difference. If that's true good for them but I've read their board also I think I'll stay where I'm at. Sounds like the union is doing a great job at protecting them
 
Maltman said:
$27 to $28hr compared to$26.60hr ain't that big but ¢68 to ¢62.7 is a good difference. If that's true good for them but I've read their board also I think I'll stay where I'm at. Sounds like the union is doing a great job at protecting them
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White paper contract they have for road is bulshit. IMO Sr men voted for based on probably last contract they will work and screwed over Jr men.
 
troubleman84 said:
You said a union give back last time I checked the union didn't give the company nothing back the employees voted for it. Re read what you sent me.
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YRC wins latest five-year wage concession package by 2-to-1 margin dated 27 Jan 2014
http://www.logisticsmgmt.com/articl...year_wage_concession_package_by_2_to_1_margin
Here are some highlight quotes:
"Teamsters President James P. “Jim” Hoffa called it “a very difficult vote for our members.” YRC officials had threatened bankruptcy filing had the wage concession not passed."
Sound like a pass are we close the doors to me.

"The agreement approved last weekend contained significant improvements over the company’s prior rejected proposal, the Teamsters said. But the deal continues a 15 percent wage concession first won in 2009 as well as a 75 percent cut in company contributions to the pension plan. Together those concessions are worth an estimated $300 million annually to YRC."

This article "Who will do right by the Teamsters’ broken pension promises?" date just over a year ago 19 March 2016
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/workplace/article67097907.html
some quotes from this about the Central States Pension:
"One estimate puts the funding shortage for all multiemployer pension plans at $140 billion"
"Nyhan said only two of the 50 largest companies contributing to the plan in 1980 survive today. They are ArcBest Corp. and YRC Worldwide Inc., which is based in Overland Park."
"YRC, more recently, was in danger of failing itself and stopped contributing to Central States in 2009. When it restarted contributions in 2011, it paid only a fourth of what it owed, again to keep the still-struggling trucking company afloat."

troubleman84 said:
Oh and do you care to elaborate on your federal government theory as well?
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YRC Won't Apply for Bailout Funds dated 12 June 09
http://www.ttnews.com/articles/basetemplate.aspx?storyid=22112
the first paragraph says it all:
"YRC Worldwide Inc. said it has begun a new effort to enlist U.S. government help in addressing multi-employer pension issues but that it will not be asking for a federal bailout."
“Unfortunately, fixing the pension situation requires some government help,” Zollars said


From what I read in these articles and other is that if the union did not agree to these concessions (give backs) YRC was on the verge of closing it's door.
Why would I want to join a union that has this massive amount of pension problems and is allowing YRC to only pay in 25% of what they should to the pension. I hear of pension being cut guys working 30yrs and due to underfunded pension are have there payout cut some up to 60%, give me the money and let me invest it myself.
My though on the union is they are trying to keep their broke ass pension alive on our hard work. Underfunded pension are not just a teamster problem go read the thread in YRC " It's not just teamster pensions.." Here is the link that was attached:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-16/collapsing-pensions-are-about-bring-hell-America

I not spinning anything just reading the facts numbers don't lie
 
sucker666 said:
Its hard for people who haven't been with the company 20+ years to understand how we were compensated back when we had a sister company that was a union carrier. The company ( Con-way) at the time felt the need to one up the union Carrier in every aspect of compensation. When that company was spun off and we were separate was when the deterioration of are compensation package started .It's a shame had the company maintained their mind set past that point of time they would not have the discontent (excaserorbated by xpo and it lack of engagement )of employees they are now facing .
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Boy how time change.
go back 20yrs ago and see how many union carriers there were and how many are there now?
 
sucker666 said:
Anytime a company be it Xpo , Con-way or some other ask you to pay more for your insurance, deletes a pension plan or give sub inflation cola they are taking a give back.

At least the employees/ members at Yellow had a say in it by vote. We were just told this is the way it will be.
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Yes they had a vote and from what I read it was put very simply vote for this or the company goes under. They basically voted to keep there jobs. Sound to me like they really had no choice either.
 
Freightmaster1 said:


XPO Port Driver Victory in Savannah

Dear Members,

XPO drayage workers hauling out of the ports in the South have been scared to speak out. XPO Logistics, the company I worked for, used local police to attempt to block union organizing in Port Wentworth, Georgia.

But something very different happened this time.

The National Labor Relations Board decided XPO went too far and now XPO is required to post a federal notice in the workplace stating misclassified port drayage drivers – meaning we’re independent contractors in name only - have the right to form a union without intimidation.

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Can you join us to make XPO the poster child for the illegal mistreatment of port workers in the South? Please sign our petition today.

A police bodycam video publicized by the Huffington Post exposed what it’s really like to organize port drayage drivers in the South, where Teamster organizers were arrested outside an XPO port drayage facility in 2016 for lawful leafletting.

Our campaign to end the illegal misclassification of port drayage drivers as “independent contractors” – led by drivers like myself from the Ports of Los Angeles/Long Beach to Savannah – refuse to back down. We, along with the Teamsters, took the case to the National Labor Relations Board and won, compelling the company to post an official Board Notice effectively stating that misclassified port drayage drivers have the right to form a union and are protected under the NLRA.

Corporations cannot run and hide from their responsibility to workers under the law – no matter where they do business. We must never back down!

Every American worker – including those in the South! – has a legal right to be classified as an employee, and to a workplace free from harassment and intimidation. With one of the world’s largest – and most notoriously anti-union – logistics companies posting a notice admitting that port drayage employees in Savannah have these rights, this may be the dawn of a new day for port drivers in the South.

XPO needs to put a stop to misclassification, wage theft, and harassment. Sign our petition today so that XPO and every U.S. corporation hears loud and clear that WE WON’T BACK DOWN!

Thank you for standing with us,

Daniel Berksteiner

Former XPO Savannah Port Driver

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How can they be misclassified when on the XPO web site it says they are hiring independent owner operators and fleet owners.
http://www.xpologistics.com/drive-for-us/intermodal-drayage-contractors
 
smokin'joe said:
Well....Everyone else keeps bringing up how bad the union screwed YRC but I'm supposed to forget what happened to us and not hold a grudge? I dont hold a grudge, I just don't forget. Geeeeezzzz
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But atleast you still had a job. Some out here lost their jobs and the places they worked closed there doors back then. Some had to start all over again. So sometimes losing a little is better then losing it all. The goal is to never get to that point again.
 
Fly-by-night said:
But atleast you still had a job. Some out here lost their jobs and the places they worked closed there doors back then. Some had to start all over again. So sometimes losing a little is better then losing it all. The goal is to never get to that point again.
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But we weren't in financial dispair...They just followed suit being opportunistic. They reduced all that because they could and knew nothing would happen.
 
sucker666 said:
Yeah how about that ... at the same time they couldn't afford a pension for us they spent 750 million for them. That was in 2007 and in 2008 they were in such dire financial straits that they needed a giveback front the employees. If would have been a union carrier back then they could of blame it on the union.
Don't get me started I feel my blood pressure rising...
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You got that right!!! When I started, Moffitt was the big Cheeze, then Detter, no one screwed us over like Douggie , plan and simple Fact.
 
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Fly-by-night said:
But atleast you still had a job. Some out here lost their jobs and the places they worked closed there doors back then. Some had to start all over again. So sometimes losing a little is better then losing it all. The goal is to never get to that point again.
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Well I chose to leave after 20 years, yep I lost Vacation , Service Rank, but that is about it. You have nothing more than that. That little bit of transition match is peanuts compared to the 6 % match I get now. When I started in the Nineties, they had one of the best total compensation package around. Not so any more
You have a pay check and that is about it.
 
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