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We've been picking up some skids out of a foundry in Coffeyville, Ks. The skids probably aren't 3 feet square, yet a dozen of them could weigh over 20'000 lbs.
The evening shift supervisor is allowing rows of these skids to be loaded down the center of a trailer leaving several feet of space on each side of the skids with nothing to prevent them from sliding. If a driver was to come off an exit with any speed at all these skids could easily slide to one side causing the trailer to overturn. The supervisor was told it's unsafe and that if a driver seen the way the trailers were loaded no way would they pull it and they would be in the right, the supervisor just shrugged his shoulders and walked off. A part of the blame is on the loader but if the supervisor see's it and allows it it's on him. Back in the day when management at this terminal gave a crap 2by4's were nailed to the floor on each side of these skids preventing them from sliding. Management worries more about the cost of nails and a few 2by4's then the safety of their drivers.
 
Havoc said:
We've been picking up some skids out of a foundry in Coffeyville, Ks. The skids probably aren't 3 feet square, yet a dozen of them could weigh over 20'000 lbs.
The evening shift supervisor is allowing rows of these skids to be loaded down the center of a trailer leaving several feet of space on each side of the skids with nothing to prevent them from sliding. If a driver was to come off an exit with any speed at all these skids could easily slide to one side causing the trailer to overturn. The supervisor was told it's unsafe and that if a driver seen the way the trailers were loaded no way would they pull it and they would be in the right, the supervisor just shrugged his shoulders and walked off. A part of the blame is on the loader but if the supervisor see's it and allows it it's on him. Back in the day when management at this terminal gave a crap 2by4's were nailed to the floor on each side of these skids preventing them from sliding. Management worries more about the cost of nails and a few 2by4's then the safety of their drivers.
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We had a roll over 1 block from the terminal. Akron driver.Same scenario ,The driver did get a ticket for failure to secure load.Even though the load was sealed.
 
If you think it is unsafe or not secured properly & you pull it to the street, it is on you. Nobody else. Refuse to drive it if there is a safety problem. Like Mysticobra said take pictures, record conversations with your dispatcher. COVER THY ASS. No one else will do it for you. Document everything about poor loading or securing of cargo. When you can back up your complaint with evidence & they know you can, most will back off. Get the Local or Hall involved. No company wants to look bad when it comes to safety. The boss blowing off your complaints? Send direct evidence to their insurance underwriter of in safe conditions. Guarantee you there will be changes. Let them know you will go to the ends of the earth to fight them about in safe conditions. Use the Akron accident to help back up your position. Just because you put a 10,000 lb roll of steel in a trailer & not on a flat bed does not change the tie down regulations in the DOT hand book. All it does in a trailer is hide how it was tied down. And probably the reason for the roll over. von.
 
I used to haul steel coils on pallets like that. 40,000 lbs would only take up half the floor space. The shipper had special 2" washers that had several raised points on both sides. When loading the fork lift driver would raise the skid so I could tap one on each corner. The weight of the skid would lock the skid to the wooden floor. I never had an issue with pallets moving around.
 
OR, if you want it to really hit the fan, call the local DOT. If they decide to check the yard for compliance, I bet they are going to find and fine the terminal a hell of a lot more than this.
 
Take Pictures and email them toe the corporate safety dept and everybody else and to the D.O.T. and save a copy for your lawyer too !! stand up and fight back !! SAFETY IS NO ACCIDENT !!
 
wongway said:
Take Pictures and email them toe the corporate safety dept and everybody else and to the D.O.T. and save a copy for your lawyer too !! stand up and fight back !! SAFETY IS NO ACCIDENT !!
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And no purposely hitting low cable and phone lines. SAFTEY IS NO ACCIDENT !!!
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Triplex said:
Wong, you're starting to make sense! What's wrong??
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Come on Triplex. Leave him alone for just a little bit. A soon as he comes off his sabbatical, then ya can nail him. Think of it this way, he comes back all rested & @ peace with himself. Now ya can strike & with any luck raise his diastolic side of his BP by 20 points. Putting him right back in to his normal hypertension mode. He might even leave ya a thank you note. von.
 
vongrimmenstein said:
Come on Triplex. Leave him alone for just a little bit. A soon as he comes off his sabbatical, then ya can nail him. Think of it this way, he comes back all rested & @ peace with himself. Now ya can strike & with any luck raise his diastolic side of his BP by 20 points. Putting him right back in to his normal hypertension mode. He might even leave ya a thank you note. von.
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wong comes on here to vent, and get all of the YRC nonsense out of his system. That is what Truckingboards is here for.
 
vongrimmenstein said:
Come on Triplex. Leave him alone for just a little bit. A soon as he comes off his sabbatical, then ya can nail him. Think of it this way, he comes back all rested & @ peace with himself. Now ya can strike & with any luck raise his diastolic side of his BP by 20 points. Putting him right back in to his normal hypertension mode. He might even leave ya a thank you note. von.
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Wong knows - at least I always thought he knew - that our "rivalry/busting" so to speak was all in good fun and not to be taken all that seriously. I guess he's mad at me now though.
 
Triplex said:
Wong knows - at least I always thought he knew - that our "rivalry/busting" so to speak was all in good fun and not to be taken all that seriously. I guess he's mad at me now though.
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Wong can still tell a good joke. Head on over to the New terminal thread on the Holland board if you want to see him doing his favorite thing; starting ridiculous rumors!

I think our buddy Wong has a funny bone. It can just be hard to tell the difference between when he's using it or ranting angrily.
 
Canadian Flyer said:
Wong can still tell a good joke. Head on over to the New terminal thread on the Holland board if you want to see him doing his favorite thing; starting ridiculous rumors!

I think our buddy Wong has a funny bone. It can just be hard to tell the difference between when he's using it or ranting angrily.
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You want to hear some funny stuff? Spend a few days in the gold hotel with him.
 
Havoc said:
We've been picking up some skids out of a foundry in Coffeyville, Ks. The skids probably aren't 3 feet square, yet a dozen of them could weigh over 20'000 lbs.
The evening shift supervisor is allowing rows of these skids to be loaded down the center of a trailer leaving several feet of space on each side of the skids with nothing to prevent them from sliding. If a driver was to come off an exit with any speed at all these skids could easily slide to one side causing the trailer to overturn. The supervisor was told it's unsafe and that if a driver seen the way the trailers were loaded no way would they pull it and they would be in the right, the supervisor just shrugged his shoulders and walked off. A part of the blame is on the loader but if the supervisor see's it and allows it it's on him. Back in the day when management at this terminal gave a crap 2by4's were nailed to the floor on each side of these skids preventing them from sliding. Management worries more about the cost of nails and a few 2by4's then the safety of their drivers.
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Supervisors don"t know anything about safety, except what we teach them. For that matter a lot of drivers at my barn are clueless. Those of us that get it, have to spread the word. Just state the facts regarding load securement and maybe use the phrase professional driver to bring it home. I've had many conversations explaining how nailing a skid of drums to the floor won't stop the drums. The skid might be secured, but the freight isn't, unless the drums are banded to the skid. Good luck and keep up the good work
 
thorn n side said:
Supervisors don"t know anything about safety, except what we teach them. For that matter a lot of drivers at my barn are clueless. Those of us that get it, have to spread the word. Just state the facts regarding load securement and maybe use the phrase professional driver to bring it home. I've had many conversations explaining how nailing a skid of drums to the floor won't stop the drums. The skid might be secured, but the freight isn't, unless the drums are banded to the skid. Good luck and keep up the good work
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Another way place cardboard on the floor drum off skid on to dunage & strap the drum to the wall @ the tail end of the trailer. Any issues gives you quick access to the drum. And if you happen to load a skid of firearms, be sure to load it in the nose, that way it is very hard to steal in route. Someone @ ABF years ago made that mistake. Line haul driver put in the yard on a Saturday morning. Monday morning we were short 176 handguns. Talk about one to many interviews with ATF. Lesson lived, lesson learned. von.
 
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