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Crumudgeon

Crumudgeon

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Given the option tonight of driving non ELD equipped tractor or going home, chose home. Been searching ELD laws and cannot find any exemption for an ELD driver to operate a non equipped vehicle. Any one else familiar. The law is clear, if an ELD required driver, you must use an ELD, no exemption for company to friggin cheap to install them"... Sent inquiry to Federal DOT for clarification, waiting on response. Does fall under harassment and coercion.
 
I would think if there is no eld equipment to use and you were forced to take off in order to be lawfull. our union should get someone paid. might want to talk to a steward.
if it's illegal to drive it's illegal to drive.
I know not all of our equipment in eld equipped. just means there is no way to charge or log into a vehicle. but our road drivers do it somehow.
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Unfortunately, some of our Brothers and Sisters can't survive missing a day, I can... As a Steward myself I did my inquiries to be sure I was on solid ground. UPGF self polices and self reports to the DOT, but that certainly doesn't excuse them from adhering to the laws that regulate our industry. Comes down to lower and mid-level management with no knowledge, or it seems the desire to educate themselves as to what it takes to run a compliant trucking company. Safety first!!!!! Unless it costs money, than just do it.. In a numbers only mindset, people get pressured to make poor choices, or are told to....
 
I do not work for UPS. I have had situations where my elog has failed. Revert back to paper until it gets fixed. Then I call safety. At that point they use the paper and reconstruct the night into your elog system. Just an FYI. The system we use is through the quall-comm. The unit is mounted in the truck. We log on to it
 
That situation is different, failure of the unit is the only time you may revert to paper logs, and the situation must be corrected at the next stop according to the regulations. You may NOT begin your duty cycle in a unit not equipped with a working ELD system. I have become somewhat of an expert in this in the last week or so. I have legal opinions, documents from the DOT, and excerpts of the published law. I find it inexcusable a company the size of UPS can ignore the laws, {most of them they helped write through their work with the ATA}, putting our drivers in a position to be shut down for non-compliance by coercion of management. I have been up the management ladder and can get nothing but, ahhs, and ummms, and we will get back to you. They got nuthin'..... Our contract prohibits being forced into violations, our UPS code of ethics, and the DOT regulations also address it...
 
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I agree. UPS has the pockets to do things right. Gotta ask. Was it an old truck? I see trucks before 2000 model year are exempt
 
xeastend said:
I agree. UPS has the pockets to do things right. Gotta ask. Was it an old truck? I see trucks before 2000 model year are exempt
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It was a 2007 Volvo, I don't believe any pre 2000 equipment remains. Talk about pockets, they have a spending freeze on, our managers, can't even order water or friggin toilet paper!!!!!!!!
 
Crumudgeon said:
It was a 2007 Volvo, I don't believe any pre 2000 equipment remains. Talk about pockets, they have a spending freeze on, our managers, can't even order water or friggin toilet paper!!!!!!!!
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Guess the company has to make the numbers look good to help the stock price. Anyhow, you pay union dues. Time to put them to work I would think
 
xeastend said:
Guess the company has to make the numbers look good to help the stock price. Anyhow, you pay union dues. Time to put them to work I would think
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Already filed, been accumulating supporting documents. Anyone else needs assistance, I can forward them. Drive safe......
 
Thanks for bringing this up. The X-tra board drivers at my terminal went for a long time without the ELD, and at the time i didn't complain because we were running our tails off, having a blast, and making BIG$$$. Until someone at R cracked down and said absolutely no more.

However, more recently, there have been situations where either there were no ELD equipped tractors available OR a more desirable (let's say...) tractor was available in lieu of an ELD equipped tractor and we were given the choice as to which one we wanted. i took the ELD in that case because i actually like ELD's vs. paper logs (most of the time).

The night(s) where there was no ELD available i ran, not fully understanding and realizing the apparent severity of the situation.....

i may need some of that assistance you have......
 
maxicoze said:
Thanks for bringing this up. The X-tra board drivers at my terminal went for a long time without the ELD, and at the time i didn't complain because we were running our tails off, having a blast, and making BIG$$$. Until someone at R cracked down and said absolutely no more.

However, more recently, there have been situations where either there were no ELD equipped tractors available OR a more desirable (let's say...) tractor was available in lieu of an ELD equipped tractor and we were given the choice as to which one we wanted. i took the ELD in that case because i actually like ELD's vs. paper logs (most of the time).

The night(s) where there was no ELD available i ran, not fully understanding and realizing the apparent severity of the situation.....

i may need some of that assistance you have......
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Begin with Article 15 of our Union Contract...... Read the UPS code of Ethics and Conduct, good luck finding a copy, nobody in management ever heard of it. UPSers.com. has it..
 
Did UPS get an exemption for not having to have ELD's in their units?? Can't under stand why they would risk this, if it were assigned to me and didn't have one would write it up stroll back in and say I'm on the clock, when your done with it you can find me in the breakroom
 
00mustang said:
Did UPS get an exemption for not having to have ELD's in their units?? Can't under stand why they would risk this, if it were assigned to me and didn't have one would write it up stroll back in and say I'm on the clock, when your done with it you can find me in the breakroom
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There is no "exemption", especially in the "too cheap to equip our fleet" category....
 
Last night our SCM approached me and said, "you did your homework, you are correct. No one will be dispatched without an ELD". " Now how are we going to get this loaner back to Gaffney?" Tow it, use a helicopter, put it on a ferry. Vehicle maintenance "overlord" claims to be "working on it". If people really knew how this division is managed, they wouldn't believe it....
 
almost13ranch said:
So to be clear, you are not furnished with hand held units? Your P&D drivers don't have this equipment either?
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All line haul drivers have the hand held, and two p&d drivers are assigned one too. The issue is the tractors not being equipped with the links and the docks.
 
Crumudgeon said:
Last night our SCM approached me and said, "you did your homework, you are correct. No one will be dispatched without an ELD". " Now how are we going to get this loaner back to Gaffney?" Tow it, use a helicopter, put it on a ferry. Vehicle maintenance "overlord" claims to be "working on it". If people really knew how this division is managed, they wouldn't believe it....
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Good for you glad it got all taken care of before somebody got in to trouble on the road
 
Tell me if I'm wrong, because I have done this before if tractor not equip with ELD. The handheld will still work but you stay on "On Duty Not Driving" the whole shift cause handheld will stay on this the whole time since you are not connected to tractor, but handheld will just record you by the hour for your trip. You can still put your equipment in manually like we was doing in phase 1 of ELD release but you will have to drop trailers manually also. You will also have to paper log at the same time correctly with your driving time and fill everything out on page. Also someone at your terminal is suppose to know how to update your paper log to the ELD system if you are in this scenario. That's what the training guy told us in the phase 1 training, that someone at your terminal suppose to know how to do this. So if I have done it wrong in this scenario let me know.
 
Freight Maniac said:
Tell me if I'm wrong, because I have done this before if tractor not equip with ELD. The handheld will still work but you stay on "On Duty Not Driving" the whole shift cause handheld will stay on this the whole time since you are not connected to tractor, but handheld will just record you by the hour for your trip. You can still put your equipment in manually like we was doing in phase 1 of ELD release but you will have to drop trailers manually also. You will also have to paper log at the same time correctly with your driving time and fill everything out on page. Also someone at your terminal is suppose to know how to update your paper log to the ELD system if you are in this scenario. That's what the training guy told us in the phase 1 training, that someone at your terminal suppose to know how to do this. So if I have done it wrong in this scenario let me know.
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If you use the handheld without the tractor link all you have is a fancy timer, it must record duty status, not just time. The law is clear, any 8 day, 70 hour, HOS required driver may not be dispatched without an operating ELD. Paper logs are only to be used in case of a failure enroute and the unit must be repaired or replaced at the next stop. I've tried to upload the actual response from the FHWA, but having difficulty.
 
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