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To your last point. Let me throw something your way that perhaps you haven't considered. Do you think it's possible that through direct democracy, that a body politic can vote itself into having tyrannical government that once installed, can never be controlled by the majority again? Do you think it's possible that without certain protections being spelled out in a country's governing charter, that a simple vote of the majority has ability to strip large amounts of individuals of their unalienable rights?

To answer your questions in order: (1) Yes, (2) because of that answer, this question doesn't matter.

What you describe is exactly what happened in (⊙▃⊙) Germany. ಠ▄ಠ's attempt to seize power by violent revolution failed in 1923. Throughout the 1930s, the (⊙▃⊙) party worked very hard on elections. Although ಠ▄ಠ's appointment as Chancellor is a more complicated story, the passage of the Enabling Act (which made him a dictator) was done via parliamentary vote, with the (⊙▃⊙)s and Center parties joining to assure passage.

The story of how the (⊙▃⊙)s came to power is not black and white. The idea of democracy in pre-WWII Germany is not as strongly rooted as ours is, and the elections themselves were far less clean than what most people would think of as a fair election. Violence and voter suppression were rampant, though to be fair, the Communists and other parties engaged in this as well. I certainly wouldn't defend the democracy of pre-WWII Germany as ideal or even good, but nonetheless, ಠ▄ಠ came to power through ballots, not bullets.

Once ಠ▄ಠ was in power and could alter the laws of the land at will, any prior constitutional protections became meaningless.

I want to explicitly NOT draw any parallels to 21st century politics - that is not my intent. I'm simply saying that history provides a ready answer to your questions.
 
To answer your questions in order: (1) Yes, (2) because of that answer, this question doesn't matter.

What you describe is exactly what happened in (⊙▃⊙) Germany. ಠ▄ಠ's attempt to seize power by violent revolution failed in 1923. Throughout the 1930s, the (⊙▃⊙) party worked very hard on elections. Although ಠ▄ಠ's appointment as Chancellor is a more complicated story, the passage of the Enabling Act (which made him a dictator) was done via parliamentary vote, with the (⊙▃⊙)s and Center parties joining to assure passage.

The story of how the (⊙▃⊙)s came to power is not black and white. The idea of democracy in pre-WWII Germany is not as strongly rooted as ours is, and the elections themselves were far less clean than what most people would think of as a fair election. Violence and voter suppression were rampant, though to be fair, the Communists and other parties engaged in this as well. I certainly wouldn't defend the democracy of pre-WWII Germany as ideal or even good, but nonetheless, ಠ▄ಠ came to power through ballots, not bullets.

Once ಠ▄ಠ was in power and could alter the laws of the land at will, any prior constitutional protections became meaningless.

I want to explicitly NOT draw any parallels to 21st century politics - that is not my intent. I'm simply saying that history provides a ready answer to your questions.

Great Post! And while parallels shoudn't be drawn, it is not inconceivable that the current political climate in this country today could easily bring us all back to a pre middle class society.
 
Great Post! And while parallels shoudn't be drawn, it is not inconceivable that the current political climate in this country today could easily bring us all back to a pre middle class society.

So you don't think TRUMP is a (⊙▃⊙) ? Or. You don't think Hoffa is a (⊙▃⊙) ?

The funny thing about throwing around (⊙▃⊙) this and (⊙▃⊙) that is that all governments and organizations do the same stuff. Always under the guise of serving the people. Always at the benefit of those in power. Always at the expense of those beneath the ones in power.

Technology is what is taking jobs away. It happened repeatedly in the 1800s and 1900s. New developments eliminate old ways of doing things. And more over. It seems that those dollars that represent all that profit, have a vote. And even a great deal of authority. And that's where your freedoms are disappearing to.

Used to be everyone had Sunday off and worked a half day on Wednesday. Gone. In the name of progress.
 
So you don't think TRUMP is a (⊙▃⊙) ? Or. You don't think Hoffa is a (⊙▃⊙) ?

The funny thing about throwing around (⊙▃⊙) this and (⊙▃⊙) that is that all governments and organizations do the same stuff. Always under the guise of serving the people. Always at the benefit of those in power. Always at the expense of those beneath the ones in power.

Technology is what is taking jobs away. It happened repeatedly in the 1800s and 1900s. New developments eliminate old ways of doing things. And more over. It seems that those dollars that represent all that profit, have a vote. And even a great deal of authority. And that's where your freedoms are disappearing to.

Used to be everyone had Sunday off and worked a half day on Wednesday. Gone. In the name of progress.

Godwin's law...the first to mention ಠ▄ಠ or (⊙▃⊙)'s in a debate, loses instantly. Technology has taken jobs away for centuries, but it has also created opportunities for new jobs, as well.

The battle has always been defined by those in power. Black Vs. White, Pro Life vs. Pro Choice, Liberal vs. Conservative...God, Guns and Gays. Manipulation by distraction; us common folk at each others throat over these hot button issues, while those in power steal the money right out of our pockets. It's about the money and it has always been about the money. Those who have it want more of it and couldn't care less about those who don't.

More frightening is that all that profit and all those dollars not only have a vote, they control the vote and push it in the direction that suits their agenda. How else could you explain supporting an administration that gives a 1.4 Trillion tax break to those who don't need it while proposing a budget that effects deep cuts to social security and medicare for those who desperately need those programs.
 
Godwin's law...the first to mention ಠ▄ಠ or (⊙▃⊙)'s in a debate, loses instantly. Technology has taken jobs away for centuries, but it has also created opportunities for new jobs, as well.

The battle has always been defined by those in power. Black Vs. White, Pro Life vs. Pro Choice, Liberal vs. Conservative...God, Guns and Gays. Manipulation by distraction; us common folk at each others throat over these hot button issues, while those in power steal the money right out of our pockets. It's about the money and it has always been about the money. Those who have it want more of it and couldn't care less about those who don't.

More frightening is that all that profit and all those dollars not only have a vote, they control the vote and push it in the direction that suits their agenda. How else could you explain supporting an administration that gives a 1.4 Trillion tax break to those who don't need it while proposing a budget that effects deep cuts to social security and medicare for those who desperately need those programs.
Many stand by and let it happen .
I watch with amazement at those who are swayed by those who are doing everything to persuade them against their own best interests. The people on top will tell you it’s a dog eat dog world while you drown in complacency.
Drivers are at the pinical of the supply and demand mountain. We can call the shots if we stick together .
These times are not always around . Let it slide by and it will effect the future drivers for years to come.
 
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Heard something from a very reliable source and a good friend concerning an Orlando driver. I won't use his full name as I don't have his permission to do so, but his initials are B.J. He's a 24 year veteran with 2 million accident free miles under his belt and was summarily terminated for holding his cell phone when the camera went off! I'll reserve comments until hopefully someone from Orlando or...B.J. himself confirms this. Please respond, if you know anything about this. Thanks!
 
Heard something from a very reliable source and a good friend concerning an Orlando driver. I won't use his full name as I don't have his permission to do so, but his initials are B.J. He's a 24 year veteran with 2 million accident free miles under his belt and was summarily terminated for holding his cell phone when the camera went off! I'll reserve comments until hopefully someone from Orlando or...B.J. himself confirms this. Please respond, if you know anything about this. Thanks!
No full names please.
 
Many stand by and let it happen .
I watch with amazement at those who are swayed by those who are doing everything to persuade them against their own best interests. The people on top will tell you it’s a dog eat dog world while you drown in complacency.
Drivers are at the pinical of the supply and demand mountain. We can call the shots if we stick together .
These times are not always around . Let it slide by and it will effect the future drivers for years to come.
We had a driver terminated for distracted driving, cell phone in hand while moving but it took three times for him to be let go. No way was this the first time for the NOF driver. He fired himself I feel sure.
 
We had a driver terminated for distracted driving, cell phone in hand while moving but it took three times for him to be let go. No way was this the first time for the NOF driver. He fired himself I feel sure.

Same around here. It's three strikes and your out. And you get warnings on the first two. And they fall off every 12 months ? Or something ? Put the damn thing down.
 
Same around here. It's three strikes and your out. And you get warnings on the first two. And they fall off every 12 months ? Or something ? Put the damn thing down.
Million Mile driver let go over the past year. Three strikes and terminated. Great guy. Hard worker. Family man. Seemed like he liked his job.

At night , on line haul , with a camera watching you , you HAVE to know a cell phone lights up like a flare gun. Bluetooth. Siri. Google Assistant. Bixby. Alexa.
A few names you should familiarize yourself with if you have a camera in your face.
 
Heard something from a very reliable source and a good friend concerning an Orlando driver. I won't use his full name as I don't have his permission to do so, but his initials are B.J. He's a 24 year veteran with 2 million accident free miles under his belt and was summarily terminated for holding his cell phone when the camera went off! I'll reserve comments until hopefully someone from Orlando or...B.J. himself confirms this. Please respond, if you know anything about this. Thanks!
Good riddance. If you can't keep the phone out of your hand you should not be driving a truck. It's bad enough with every other 4 wheeler not paying attention. I suspose you feel this is some sort of injustice that can be corrected with a Union contract?
 
Good riddance. If you can't keep the phone out of your hand you should not be driving a truck. It's bad enough with every other 4 wheeler not paying attention. I suspose you feel this is some sort of injustice that can be corrected with a Union contract?
By the way, where is that Union contract?
 
As I said, I'll reserve any comments until I hear the whole story. I do NOT support using any electronic device while driving any motor vehicle, especially when there are many blue tooth devices available to us. Let me ask you all if you have ever picked up your handheld, while sitting in traffic to check the order of the pick ups on you? How about a text from your daughter when she's supposed to be in school? My wife always texts me because she knows I won't pick up during the workday. Once, she called and when I looked down , and saw it was her, I naturally assumed the worst and picked it up...the very second I hit a huge pothole.

My point is not that there shouldn't be discipline. My point is that there are extenuating circumstances that should be considered. 2 million miles accident free and 24 years of service should be given some consideration when issuing discipline. I don't know if this was his first time or third time. Was he driving 70 miles per hour or stuck in traffic? It should matter! In any event, here is what the March 01, 2018 Hand Book says about discipline. The section begins by listing the 5 types of discipline that we all know and love....THEN, is says this:

"The company does NOT follow a specific progressive discipline policy, but rather, reserves the right in it's sole discretion to decide which type of discipline to issue in response to each situation, including terminating employees, WITHOUT A PRIOR WARNING if, in the company's discretion, circumstances so warrant."

This should be unsettling, at the very least. For all of us "good drivers" out there, you could be one minor mistake from termination. It's solely at their discretion. The Teamsters can't save every job, but they can get those extenuating circumstances in front of an impartial arbitrator, who, quite often, CAN save your job. It happens every day.
 
By the way, where is that Union contract?

We are building a pyramid (contract) without a crane to lift the stones. If everyone would come just out of their safe spaces and participate, the pyramid (contract) would have been completed already. For any of you who hate the Teamsters, give me an alternative. How do we change the direction of this company without any outside assistance?
 
California looking into getting a total ban in any moving vehicle, hands free also:https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...-ban-hands-free-use-cellphones-while-driving/


But, yes. It can be a good idea. We all see it. And it's getting worse. People with TV shows or movies playing in the driver seat. These are the adults that are the children that were raised with monitors in head rests. They get in a car and expect to be entertained. They were conditioned this way over several years of their youth. Hard to change something like that.
 
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