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highspeeds said:
largess ? supposed to be wages ?

Regardless. We are heading into an unusual market. They have managed to keep it propped up. But eventually, there will be a correction. Crack a book. The great depression happened. And it can happen again.
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The economy is as artificially propped up as it was in 2008, right before the recession. Tax breaks went to stock buy backs, artificially creating a demand that inflated the stock prices. The Fed is deliberately keeping interest rates low, because low interest rates boost the economy. If you crack a book, as highspeeds recommends, you'll find that in 1921, the Harding, Coolidge and Hoover presidencies ( the original "trickle down" boys ) saw tax rates fall from a high of 77% right down to 25%. Sound familiar? They knew low tax rates boosted the economy, but, much like today, the income and wealth inequality grew in direct proportion to the tax cuts. Overproduction of goods and a weak export market contributed to the banking collapse and the stock market crash of 1929. Sound familiar? And, it can happen again...
 
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Fly-by-night said:
This video was post way back in 2016 before Trump was even elected. The law took effect in 2014 and in 2 years the rates jump that much. Obozo told us we would all save on premiums
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While health insurance premiums have increased since the passage of the Affordable Care Act, the law actually reduced the rate of increases. Between 2002 and 2008, average family premium costs increased by 58%. Since the passage of Obamacare, in 2010, average premium costs have only increased by around 33%.

Again if the Republicans have an effective alternative that doesn’t leave millions without insurance let’s here it.
 
sucker666 said:
While health insurance premiums have increased since the passage of the Affordable Care Act, the law actually reduced the rate of increases. Between 2002 and 2008, average family premium costs increased by 58%. Since the passage of Obamacare, in 2010, average premium costs have only increased by around 33%.

Again if the Republicans have an effective alternative that doesn’t leave millions without insurance let’s here it.
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Must have missed the Arizona Obamacare increases of 150%
 
sucker666 said:
A bit of cherry picked fake news by DJT to suit his political needs.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ercent-increase-obamacare-premiums/842108001/
Again where’s his alternative?
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There is no alternative. He's actually attempting to say that he has a SECRET plan that he will unveil right after the election. Can anybody be stupid enough to believe this? And, by the way. his challenge to the ACA is in the hands of a very conservative 5th Circuit Court and there is a chance they may declare the ACA unconstitutional. The result will mean that 18 million people will lose their healthcare. It won't be for long however, as the idiot in chief will lose the next election by 21 million votes instead of 3 million. Then, the new president can propose a genuine alternative, whether it be a public option or straight up universal single payer.
 
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Hollywoodz said:
I'm not sure, North, it's possible. But, if he truly had a great alternative, don't you think it would be wise to reveal it immediately. If it was all he claims, it would secure his second term.
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Not that I want him in for a second. But if he could do that it would guarantee a second. They have no plan. Won't have no plan. And it will be what it is for awhile.
Too much infighting. Both sides. Wouldn't it be nice though if the sons of bitches would work together instead of wasting everyone's time. Not happening.
 
Hollywoodz said:
I'm not sure, North, it's possible. But, if he truly had a great alternative, don't you think it would be wise to reveal it immediately. If it was all he claims, it would secure his second term.
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They have no great alternative ! Just like everything else this administration does it ultimately to benefit the wealthy at the cost of everyone else. Drain the swamp ! Just look at the crap that has come and gone in his administration so far. Nothing but a bunch of industry insiders, Criminals ,ect. They have tapped into the hate and a couple other issues that’s allowed them to bait a portion of this country into following them. They have nothing to offer. Wait till after the election.... really ? It’s hard to watch people’s emotions cloud their common sense. History repeats itself and we have seen this before many years ago and it didn’t end well.

Government should work for the betterment of a nation as a whole not for the betterment of a few at a cost to all others
 
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sucker666 said:
They have no great alternative ! Just like everything else this administration does it ultimately to benefit the wealthy at the cost of everyone else. Drain the swamp ! Just look at the crap that has come and gone in his administration so far. Nothing but a bunch of industry insiders, Criminals ,ect. They have tapped into the hate and a couple other issues that’s allowed them to bait a portion of this country into following them. They have nothing to offer. Wait till after the election.... really ? It’s hard to watch people’s emotions cloud their common sense. History repeats itself and we have seen this before many years ago and it didn’t end well.

Government should work for the betterment of a nation as a whole not for the betterment of a few at a cost to all others
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Let me ask ... does a republic work then? Because looking at your govt, it’s a complete failure.
 
upnorth said:
Let me ask ... does a republic work then? Because looking at your govt, it’s a complete failure.
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Our Democracy is young and an experiment. It is fragile, always has been. I think the question is about capitalism as we practice it . Is it sustainable? ( no I’m not a socialist) Does it or need to be tweaked , so it does not leave the masses wanting. Right now and especially under trump the table is slanted towards the wealthy. This is the only reason they tolerate trump . The 1% are getting everything they want so they turn a blind eye towards this morally corrupt man.

As long as we allow the likes of a man like trump divide us ,our republic is in grave danger.
As it stands trump has learned to grasp the fear of the working class an empowered himself by selling false relief to their woes .
 
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sucker666 said:
Our Democracy is young and an experiment. It is fragile, always has been. I think the question is about capitalism as we practice it . Is it sustainable? ( no I’m not a socialist) Does it or need to be tweaked , so it does not leave the masses wanting. Right now and especially under trump the table is slanted towards the wealthy. This is the only reason they tolerate trump . The 1% are getting everything they want so they turn a blind eye towards this morally corrupt man.

As long as we allow the likes of a man like trump divide us ,our republic is in grave danger.
As it stands trump has learned to grasp the fear of the working class an empowered himself by selling false relief to their woes .
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It hasn’t changed since the Obama administration.
 
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They have no great alternative ! Just like everything else this administration does it ultimately to benefit the wealthy at the cost of everyone else. Drain the swamp ! Just look at the crap that has come and gone in his administration so far. Nothing but a bunch of industry insiders, Criminals ,ect. They have tapped into the hate and a couple other issues that’s allowed them to bait a portion of this country into following them. They have nothing to offer. Wait till after the election.... really ? It’s hard to watch people’s emotions cloud their common sense. History repeats itself and we have seen this before many years ago and it didn’t end well.

Government should work for the betterment of a nation as a whole not for the betterment of a few at a cost to all others
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Why is it my responsibility to provide health care for able bodied people? What happened to individuals being responsible for their own lives instead of being a burden on others? Giving one time aid to help people get themselves up is different than long term handouts and I would be willing to do that.
 
LTLIndentured said:
Why is it my responsibility to provide health care for able bodied people? What happened to individuals being responsible for their own lives instead of being a burden on others? Giving one time aid to help people get themselves up is different than long term handouts and I would be willing to do that.
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LTLIndentured said:
Why is it my responsibility to provide health care for able bodied people? What happened to individuals being responsible for their own lives instead of being a burden on others? Giving one time aid to help people get themselves up is different than long term handouts and I would be willing to do that.
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I get your point but we’re going to pay for the less fortunate one way or another. The other option is to allow people to die without care. I don’t think as a civilized first world nation we want to go there.
My experience with working as a volunteer with the less privileged is it’s not usually by choice that there in a bad circumstance. Yes there always will be abuses but that’s the way it is.

Yes our Republic is in peril
 
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LTLIndentured said:
Why is it my responsibility to provide health care for able bodied people? What happened to individuals being responsible for their own lives instead of being a burden on others? Giving one time aid to help people get themselves up is different than long term handouts and I would be willing to do that.
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If your trucking company said take all the pto you like its unlimited would you tell them no thanks im a tuff guy rebublicon i prefer to work 365 days a year. Ya rite
 
sucker666 said:
They have no great alternative ! Just like everything else this administration does it ultimately to benefit the wealthy at the cost of everyone else. Drain the swamp ! Just look at the crap that has come and gone in his administration so far. Nothing but a bunch of industry insiders, Criminals ,ect. They have tapped into the hate and a couple other issues that’s allowed them to bait a portion of this country into following them. They have nothing to offer. Wait till after the election.... really ? It’s hard to watch people’s emotions cloud their common sense. History repeats itself and we have seen this before many years ago and it didn’t end well.

Government should work for the betterment of a nation as a whole not for the betterment of a few at a cost to all others
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The 6 million new jobs really irritate you and the 3% GDP.
You must miss Obama giving Wall Street Bankers $4.4 Trillion in 'Quantitative Easing' free cash..
Or was that intended for working folks?????
 
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