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Ted Decker trk said:
You are comparing apples to oranges. The reason the nons are cleaning the clocks of the unions over the years is that the union LTL' s have significantly higher labor cost. There is not one non union carrier that is even in the same ballpark in terms of benefits that the Teamsters had negotiated for their members. The government changed the playing field and the rules with deregulation to the detriment of us, the drivers. If the non unions had not been allowed to initiate a race to the bottom in 1980, we would alll be further ahead. Every non union carrier, LTL and TL,is responsible for cratering wages and setting us back in terms of compensation. And before you accuse me of being a union shill, I work for a non union now but was a Teamster when I started out . What you perceive as operating expertise is a product of an imbalance in overhead. If I could wave a magic wand and make deregulation disappear, I would in a heartbeat. The government pulling the rug from under the union LTL 's of yore led to their demise, not operating ineffeciencies.
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Deregulation did not work for you. Today carriers are better, transit time is better, quality improved.
If these workers are so oppressed why don't these workers join in the union and enjoy the marvelous benefits and life that will follow??
If teamster companies are so good why all the failures, the workers there should be doling all they can to protect these jobs and working harder than their competitors. But they do not..
 
Puff Driver said:
Deregulation did not work for you. Today carriers are better, transit time is better, quality improved.
If these workers are so oppressed why don't these workers join in the union and enjoy the marvelous benefits and life that will follow??
If teamster companies are so good why all the failures, the workers there should be doling all they can to protect these jobs and working harder than their competitors. But they do not..
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Deregulation didn't work for anyone. Transit times are shorter because average length of haul for LTL shipments has gone from 900 to 1500 mile range to 250 to 700. I suggest you read "Sweatshops on Wheels" by Michael Belzer.
I explained to you why the Teamsters are weak once already. Workers are not going to organize because they are afraid they will be blackballed and fired by their non union at will employers.
I explained why the Teamster companies failed. I suggest you reread my previous post, you obviously missed the point.
 
Puff Driver said:
Deregulation did not work for you. Today carriers are better, transit time is better, quality improved.
If these workers are so oppressed why don't these workers join in the union and enjoy the marvelous benefits and life that will follow??
If teamster companies are so good why all the failures, the workers there should be doling all they can to protect these jobs and working harder than their competitors. But they do not..
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Here's an anecdote from MaClean thread in Boneyard , might simplify point for you:

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I had many friends and family members who were among those losing their jobs. I was with Johnson Motor Lines when Johnson closed the doors in 1980, I was an owner-operator with Johnson and just as the company drivers, the owner-operators were Teamsters. Before deregulation, I was pulling freight out of Baltimore, Md. to Pineville, La paying $2300, after deregulation the "cut-throats" started pulling the same load for $1200. Now remember what fuel prices were in '79 and the cost of truck maintenance and then compare the
"bottom line" then and now.

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Ted Decker trk said:
Here's an anecdote from MaClean thread in Boneyard , might simplify point for you:

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I had many friends and family members who were among those losing their jobs. I was with Johnson Motor Lines when Johnson closed the doors in 1980, I was an owner-operator with Johnson and just as the company drivers, the owner-operators were Teamsters. Before deregulation, I was pulling freight out of Baltimore, Md. to Pineville, La paying $2300, after deregulation the "cut-throats" started pulling the same load for $1200. Now remember what fuel prices were in '79 and the cost of truck maintenance and then compare the
"bottom line" then and now.

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Great point, the 'cut throats' with the unsafe equipment, low pay, low rates, no technology and horrific service are the union carriers.. They are the modern day scabs destroying the industry....
 
Puff Driver said:
Great point, the 'cut throats' with the unsafe equipment, low pay, low rates, no technology and horrific service are the union carriers.. They are the modern day scabs destroying the industry....
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not really, i know you love the 2 big non union competitors that offer decent wages, but yrc is still a much better job than a lot of these small time scab operations, such as teal's express, RIST, or land air express of New England.

wages lower than yrc, insurance costs approaching 200 a week for family coverage, no match on a 401k, no overtime period....
 
Puff Driver said:
Great point, the 'cut throats' with the unsafe equipment, low pay, low rates, no technology and horrific service are the union carriers.. They are the modern day scabs destroying the industry....
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With wages and benefits the union companies pay you have the nerve to call them cut throats? The bottom feeders started cutting the rates and the union companies for obvious reasons had to try and compete by discounting. i think it still costs ABF something like $350 a week in benefits for every Teamster. What does it cost your great OD?

By the way you didn't respond to my post 35 about how OD's work rules treat it's workers.
At will employees, overtime after 60, no seniority, economic terminations instead of layoffs. selective rehiring at lower pay rate.
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It's no wonder it is an industry leader..............I mean no disrespect to the hard working OD employees.
 
Puff,how much money would a non-union driver have to put away a week to even come close to teamster retires?Even with the cuts.The fact is they are not even close.They are the cuts throats .No overtime :shit:ty insurance.Their profits are better for this reason.Again why dont they pay ot?Estes overtime after 55?if they are so great to work for.As far as equipment I know for A fact Yrc company s are getting new equipment.3500 tractors and around 3000 trailers in the last couple years.New onboard computers also in the last couple .The fact is the non-unions bennys suck and you know it.The reason they don't do it is so they can get a competitive advantage period.
 
Ridgerunner33 said:
Puff,how much money would a non-union driver have to put away a week to even come close to teamster retires?Even with the cuts.The fact is they are not even close.They are the cuts throats .No overtime :::shit:::ty insurance.Their profits are better for this reason.Again why dont they pay ot?Estes overtime after 55?if they are so great to work for.As far as equipment I know for A fact Yrc company s are getting new equipment.3500 tractors and around 3000 trailers in the last couple years.New onboard computers also in the last couple .The fact is the non-unions bennys suck and you know it.The reason they don't do it is so they can get a competitive advantage period.
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You must be ex estes im current and working for free is off the charts 9 years and about five thousand hours
 
Puff Driver said:
Great point, the 'cut throats' with the unsafe equipment, low pay, low rates, no technology and horrific service are the union carriers.. They are the modern day scabs destroying the industry....
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You are a dense one, were you dropped on your head as a child?

The point of that post from the MaClean boneyard was completely bastardized and warped by you, the cut throats are the non unions.
 
ED FORCE ONE said:
You must be ex estes im current and working for free is off the charts 9 years and about five thousand hours
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Never said anything about working for free.My point was about ot.Your company pays you ot after 55hrs correct?Did the company have a change of heart?I'm not a Estes employee or ever have been.
 
Ridgerunner33 said:
Never said anything about working for free.My point was about ot.Your company pays you ot after 55hrs correct?Did the company have a change of heart?I'm not a Estes employee or ever have been.
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Now at 52 they announced it at meeting crowd still sat there with frown the way the people feel who run the outfit compared to the way the employees feel is night and day
 
For what it is worth, a YRC exec....don't remember title or name, came to our terminal from Columbus Ohio this week and spoke. He said there are no plans to get rid of us or shut us down. They want to keep the brand alive and have us make money again.

No opinion on it. But there's a date on this post. Take it for what it is worth.
 
slavenomore said:
For what it is worth, a YRC exec....don't remember title or name, came to our terminal from Columbus Ohio this week and spoke. He said there are no plans to get rid of us or shut us down. They want to keep the brand alive and have us make money again.

No opinion on it. But there's a date on this post. Take it for what it is worth.
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I don’t think they want to kill the brand either.

Maybe he is telling the truth, BUT your here I think maybe as long as I am and we all know they have no problem at all looking the employees in the face and lying their asses off.

They want to return ALL their carriers to profitability then they should get to it, it starts at the management level, seems lately we are seeing good people come into those positions but YRC is refusing to give them the tools, training, support and equipment they need. You look at every position from TM’s to dock supervisors, dispatchers and OSD people you’ll find good people(probably recent hires) who just need the things I mentioned above.
 
Rist is the modern day former Howards Express which was on strike at one time and then sold it self to the Wadhams family out of the western ny area. they also own ARG which is the former a r gunderman fuel transporter and now is the largest fuel transport company in nys, they also own wadhams milk hauling as well. RIST - rick and steve wadham.
 
realityofitall said:
Rist is the modern day former Howards Express which was on strike at one time and then sold it self to the Wadhams family out of the western ny area. they also own ARG which is the former a r gunderman fuel transporter and now is the largest fuel transport company in nys, they also own wadhams milk hauling as well. RIST - rick and steve wadham.
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Howard's Express was S&P also, right. I was a jockey at a place they wentboften during that change.
 
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