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Fly-by-night said:
So now the problem is they are not going home.
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How do you miss the fact that they are not going home because they know they can't get back in. With a comprehensive immigration policy, they'll be happy to go home TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES, knowing that they will be able to return next season, when they are needed again. They'll be delighted to apply for citizenship and go through the process, knowing they can feed their families for as long as the process takes...and it can take years as it is currently structured. Wen you're starving and your wife and children are starving, you do whatever it is you have to do to feed them. Of course, you and I have NEVER experienced real hunger, so we couldn't possibly know what that feels like.
 
Fly-by-night said:
They need to look at it as if it was there house. Lets say I my wife and 4 kids come to his house kick in the door and start living there. I just working hard to support my family. He would call the police and want all of us removed and arrested. Now what would he say if the cops told him there was nothing they could do to remove us. I sure he would be bitching up a storm.
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I can't imagine a more ridiculous analogy. I thought I was bad with analogies. Damn!
 
Hollywoodz said:
There is no "free" welfare for undocumented workers. They cannot receive a single dime from ANY social program...ever. They have to work to live...and they do. On top of that, they pay social security taxes, Medicare taxes, federal, state and city taxes. Because they are "illegal", they will NEVER be eligible to receive the Social Security and Medicare benefits they have paid into all their working lives. So, next time you see an "illegal", be sure to thank him for contributing to your social security and Medicare fund.
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I agree with what your saying but I personally know a few people who had their identities used/stolen so "undocumented" workers could get a job. Sad thing all the way around. Yes 90+ percent of the people coming here just want a job and nobody threatening them. The downside is how many are going about doing it and not knowing or caring who gets screwed intentionally or not.
 
ole man said:
Thanks for this post! I sure as hell have never been given a job by a poor man. I know a bunch of wealthy (rich) people that aren’t evil.
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I know this will fall on deaf ears, but let me try anyway. Poor men can't offer anyone a job. so, we agree on that. I also know some very wealthy people who are not evil, so we agree on that too! Comes along a rich man and he hires you to work for him. There are 10 employees in the shop, including you. Each of you earn 50K per year. At the end of the first year, the company posts a 1 million dollar NET profit. Fair enough. You and the other 9 employees work hard to make this company successful. at the end of the second year, the company posts a 2 million dollar profit. Same employees...same expenses. How much of a raise should you get? And, who decides?

Here's my point. While we agree that we know some wealthy people who aren't evil, most of them care only for profit. Neither you nor I make their list of things that really matter to them. We are a means to an end and they only care about us in the sense that we do the work that fills their pockets.

So when compensation time comes around, it is to their sole discretion as to what we earn and what benefits we receive. Don't believe it...check the Policies and Procedures manual. Under General Policies, page 5.

XPO RESERVES THE RIGHT TO INTERPRET, AMEND, MODIFY AND/OR TERMINATE THESE POLICIES AT ANY TIME, AS WELL AS THE BENEFITS PLANS REFERRED TO IN THIS HANDBOOK, WITH OR WITHOUT ADVANCE NOTICE.

SO, THIS SAYS DON'T BOTHER READING THE MANUAL BECAUSE THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT, ANY TIME THEY WANT, TO ANYONE THEY WANT, WITHOUT NOTICE...

How do you, as an individual, negotiate with someone who assumes all the rights and conditions of your employment. How do you, as an individual, prevent the race to the bottom. They will only sweeten the pot, if they feel it is the only way to keep you happy. In fact, you have seen what they usually do first hand. Instead of sweetening the pot, the start to take benefits away from you to test your tolerance level. You've read the manual. They tell you in black and white that this is their right to do so. So, they take bereavement days. That's OK by you. Then, they take PTO accrual and that's OK with you. They they take your ability to go negative PTO. And that's OK too! WAIT, it's not OK...so, they give it back. Then, they take Some disability benefits. Then, they change Drive Cam coaching and turn it into discipline. No problem. I can't even tell you what else they have taken BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T TOLD YOU YET...They don't have to.

You are an "at will" employee. You are free to leave your job (that's a benefit, right) and they can fire you...just because!

You wake up with a migraine. Can't go to work. You call in sick and have to use your vacation time to cover your day off...in bed. On top of that, you are charged with an attendance point, because your weren't sure if you would have a migraine on that day, so you didn't request the day in advance and it wasn't approved.

You're making a delivery to an abusive customer. The guy is always in a bad mood. This one day, you've had enough and snap back at him. No profanity, just a terse response. The next day, your TM calls you in and fires you. It seems this customer wrote an email, accusing you of urinating in your trailer while parked in his dock. No witnesses, no video and no corroboration of any kind. You're fired anyway. This actually happened to one of our guys.

A UNION CONTRACT RESOLVES ALL OF THESE ISSUES ...PERIOD.
 
sabresfan said:
I agree with what your saying but I personally know a few people who had their identities used/stolen so "undocumented" workers could get a job. Sad thing all the way around. Yes 90+ percent of the people coming here just want a job and nobody threatening them. The downside is how many are going about doing it and not knowing or caring who gets screwed intentionally or not.
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Agree as well. Some have found a way to circumvent the system, but once again, a comprehensive immigration plan would resolve all of these issues and make it a win/win for everyone involved.
 
Fly-by-night said:
We have every right to bring up the CSPF anytime we want. Ever since the union has crawled it way to congress to help bail out this fund. They now want the taxpayers to bail them out.
Someone please show me in the last 2 contracts negotiation, one with YRCW and the other with ArcBest, were the members of the union told the company to take a percentage like 40 or 50% of any pay raise and put it towards there pension?? It seems that the union is fine with letting ABF freeze there pension contribution and letting YRCW put in less they required. I believe that since the Teamster and union member are not concerned with there pension fund why should the govt. Why bail them out just let it die.
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You are free to bring up anything you want at any time, but please try to be accurate when you do. The Butch Lewis Act would LOAN the cash needed to refund the CSPF, however, there are provisions in the act that would require the money to be repaid with interest. Much like the auto industry bail out that was fully repaid to the federal government...with interest.
 
sucker666 said:
Who writes the contract? The members are represented at the bargaining table and are present how are they going to stick that clause in ? Let’s suppose they did for your sake putting aside all the illegal aspects of doing so . How would they get the membership to ratify it? Let’s not forget the company side . If you think for a minute a company not going to call that and ever agree to that I got a time share I like to sell you.
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The lawyers from the union and the reps write the contract. If you think the members have anything to do with that you’re dreaming. Look at the YRC debacle, the ABF contract that everyone seems to be dissatisfied with, the carhaul contract that was actually decent and is going to get ripped to shreds now that Cooper can’t pay and is going to either be sold and the pension is going to be further jeopardized (bad) or be company is going under (worse). If the membership has any say in a contract, why do most bitch about the outcome even though they vote it in? And what’s this illegality you’re speaking of? Why would it be illegal to bring a new carrier into a defined fund? And why would the company care? I’ve been told by plenty of union members that pension is theirs, not the company’s, why would the company care? And as far as ratification, you can see how YRC and ABF have gone, contracts were stinkers and they were ratified. If the union says “that’s all you’re gonna get” then what choice do you have? I’m sorry, I think all you guys at XPO are getting a raw deal and I would probably have voted yes if I were still there and my barn held a vote. XPO isn’t doing anything than further ruining something Con-way started ruining. But it’s not 1975 anymore. If you somehow think the union is some magic bullet that’s going to cure all the ills you are facing with XPO, I know a guy that’s got some prime real estate I’d like to show you as well.
 
Hollywoodz said:
You are free to bring up anything you want at any time, but please try to be accurate when you do. The Butch Lewis Act would LOAN the cash needed to refund the CSPF, however, there are provisions in the act that would require the money to be repaid with interest. Much like the auto industry bail out that was fully repaid to the federal government...with interest.
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Lol where’s that repayment money going to come from? The fund isn’t taking in enough money to pay its responsibilities now. Where’s the cash coming from??
 
Hollywoodz said:
There is no "free" welfare for undocumented workers. They cannot receive a single dime from ANY social program...ever. They have to work to live...and they do. On top of that, they pay social security taxes, Medicare taxes, federal, state and city taxes. Because they are "illegal", they will NEVER be eligible to receive the Social Security and Medicare benefits they have paid into all their working lives. So, next time you see an "illegal", be sure to thank him for contributing to your social security and Medicare fund.
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How does someone without proper documentation (ie a social security number) paying social security taxes? If they have no social security or tax ID how are they paying income taxes? How come the companies or individuals that hire them are vilified for taking advantage of an illegal? Because they’re NOT. And they are receiving benefits, please don’t insult our intelligence by denying what we all know is happening.
 
Hollywoodz said:
How do you miss the fact that they are not going home because they know they can't get back in. With a comprehensive immigration policy, they'll be happy to go home TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES, knowing that they will be able to return next season, when they are needed again. They'll be delighted to apply for citizenship and go through the process, knowing they can feed their families for as long as the process takes...and it can take years as it is currently structured. Wen you're starving and your wife and children are starving, you do whatever it is you have to do to feed them. Of course, you and I have NEVER experienced real hunger, so we couldn't possibly know what that feels like.
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Right, they’d be happy to do it the legal way since they’ve been so troubled by skirting the law this long... give me a break.
 
Hollywoodz said:
There is no "free" welfare for undocumented workers. They cannot receive a single dime from ANY social program...ever. They have to work to live...and they do. On top of that, they pay social security taxes, Medicare taxes, federal, state and city taxes. Because they are "illegal", they will NEVER be eligible to receive the Social Security and Medicare benefits they have paid into all their working lives. So, next time you see an "illegal", be sure to thank him for contributing to your social security and Medicare fund.
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Those are choices they made, don't vilify the system, if they want to live in their home country let them fight to make it better, don't come here and game the system.
 
Songremainsthesame said:
How does someone without proper documentation (ie a social security number) paying social security taxes? If they have no social security or tax ID how are they paying income taxes? How come the companies or individuals that hire them are vilified for taking advantage of an illegal? Because they’re NOT. And they are receiving benefits, please don’t insult our intelligence by denying what we all know is happening.
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You haven't been paying attention to your local news, have you? Business owners are providing documentation to these people i.e. social security numbers. When they receive their check on Friday, all the deductions that you and I pay have been taken from their check. So, they do pay taxes, just like you and me, yet they can't get services because the "person" they are pretending to be, doesn't exist or is already dead. Companies are providing these documents to them. Why would they do that? If you haven't figured it out yet, it's because companies know they can take tremendous advantage of people who face deportation if they dare complain.If you knew anything about the Mississippi chicken processing plant, you wouldn't make these statements.

Click on the link and you'll understand that these greedy bastards should be vilified for how they treat their fellow human beings. Isn't it interesting that this company LOST a 3.75 million dollar lawsuit for charges specified in the article and then, got raided by ICE? What a coincidence! Clearly, you DON"T know what is happening.

https://www.wlbt.com/2019/08/09/koch-foods-settles-million-discrimination-lawsuit/
 
Songremainsthesame said:
The lawyers from the union and the reps write the contract. If you think the members have anything to do with that you’re dreaming. Look at the YRC debacle, the ABF contract that everyone seems to be dissatisfied with, the carhaul contract that was actually decent and is going to get ripped to shreds now that Cooper can’t pay and is going to either be sold and the pension is going to be further jeopardized (bad) or be company is going under (worse). If the membership has any say in a contract, why do most bitch about the outcome even though they vote it in? And what’s this illegality you’re speaking of? Why would it be illegal to bring a new carrier into a defined fund? And why would the company care? I’ve been told by plenty of union members that pension is theirs, not the company’s, why would the company care? And as far as ratification, you can see how YRC and ABF have gone, contracts were stinkers and they were ratified. If the union says “that’s all you’re gonna get” then what choice do you have? I’m sorry, I think all you guys at XPO are getting a raw deal and I would probably have voted yes if I were still there and my barn held a vote. XPO isn’t doing anything than further ruining something Con-way started ruining. But it’s not 1975 anymore. If you somehow think the union is some magic bullet that’s going to cure all the ills you are facing with XPO, I know a guy that’s got some prime real estate I’d like to show you as well.
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You keep using YRC & ABF in the union/pension debate, don't forget about UPS. Just because they don't contribute into central states anymore they still contribute into other plan's. Now can you tell me where you got your information regarding the carhauler's contract?
 
Songremainsthesame said:
Lol where’s that repayment money going to come from? The fund isn’t taking in enough money to pay its responsibilities now. Where’s the cash coming from??
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They may not be organizing LTL very successfully, but new contracts are being ratified every day. The repayment money will come from expanding membership and good management of the fund.
 
Songremainsthesame said:
Right, they’d be happy to do it the legal way since they’ve been so troubled by skirting the law this long... give me a break.
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Do you really believe that these people are NOT troubled by living their lives in the shadows; especially now. You can't possibly believe that. You have no clue what it's like to live every day in fear. Do you know any illegal immigrants? They would jump at any chance offered to legalize their status and gain a path to citizenship. Many more would jump at the same chance to legalize and be legally permitted to be with their families in the off season, until it was time to go back to work. Yeah, give me a break.
 
joes bar and grill said:
Those are choices they made, don't vilify the system, if they want to live in their home country let them fight to make it better, don't come here and game the system.
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When the "system" creates the problem, the "system" deserves to be vilified. What do you think would happen if the owners of these businesses were arrested, prosecuted and jailed for hiring undocumented workers? As of today, they have no accountability whatsoever. If they refused to hire undocumented workers, where do you think those undocumented workers would go? Or, would they even come here in the first place.

And, please spare me the argument that they would still come here for free stuff, because they can't get free stuff.
 
Back to union business. Here's a question to all you anti union people. If Hoffa lost the next election for Teamsters president, would it change your opinion about the organization?
 
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