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canaryinthemine said:
The fact that the Department of Labor is....constantly tweaking the H.O.S.,...should tell everyone that they are doing a...balancing act.....between common-sense safety,...and company lobbyists.......

H.O.S. was originally a legal means for individual drivers to protect their health and safety,...from rapacious and unscrupulous trucking company management......Every "tweak" they make.......seems to benefit companies.......11 hour of driving now,......company-micro management of driver's time,.......Companies taking away the "voluntary" provisions of the 34-hour re-start,.....and telling employees when to use it,.....merely to maximize driver's time behind the wheel....

How about if we go back to the "10 hours driving-5 hours on duty" rule,....but let drivers go back to...filling out paper logs,...that can't be scrutinized and managed in "real time" ...like electronic logs?

Electronic logs aren't about safety,.......they are about company management of driver time.....
In spite of electronic logs,.....driver Fatal Occupational Injuries have been rising in the last couple of years,.....according to the Dept. of Labor. Fatigue still is a big factor.......
So,.....they are no better and no safer,....than paper logs.

Put the logging of time back in the hands of the guys doing the work........Make their "signature" on the paper log be....grounds for Perjury,.......and make it a Felony for any company official to....order or direct...a driver to....take a break, or alter a log....

Sometimes Technology is not the best answer,.....when dealing with Human Beings.....
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I wonder how many of the bureaucrats making the rules have a CDL or have driving experience?
 
ED FORCE ONE said:
A one hour meal period between the third and sixth hour
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ED FORCE ONE said:
Any other job 8th hour should be in the car on the way home , trucking is a modern day sweatshop
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11 or 12 hours a day for a 4 day work week was enough. Then they decided to add Friday nights to utility. Now pushing 60 hrs every week. Then when you book off due to fatigue tm will write you up at the drop of a hat.
 
How many of the bureaucrats that conjured up these rules have to pee in a bottle on demand? After all, we're just operating heavy equipment, Those fools are attempting to operate an entire country! Even the cop that slaps the cuffs on you for violating the .02 DUI rule doesn't have to submit to that standard. Even if he did, his brother officers would give him a ride home and tell him to keep his mouth shut. This is to be expected when you let the camel get his nose under the edge of the tent..... Now they want you to take mandatory classes on human trafficking as part of your CDL training. Why? you may ask? Because they think our jobs take us to the seedier side of society where this trash operates. They want us to do their job for them, except we won't be able to call for a swat team with full kevlar and MP5's if it goes very bad when we drop that dime. And they want you to do all this for... oh... about $10.00 an hour is about right for a CDL with all endorsements.
 
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ragpicker said:
11 or 12 hours a day for a 4 day work week was enough. Then they decided to add Friday nights to utility. Now pushing 60 hrs every week. Then when you book off due to fatigue tm will write you up at the drop of a hat.
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Can’t write you up if you have sick days to burn. Tell him to pack sand, then file a grievance.
 
my wife asked me the other day" why are all these commercial pilots being arrested in the cockpit drunk on duty" I explained to her that these were commuter airline pilots that work for about $35,000/year and are treated worse than truck drivers with their time off and hours of service requirements. You never heard of a united airlines senior captain showing up drunk when he was making a comfortable 6-figure income and full pension benefits prior to airline deregulation in 1978. Mystery solved....
 
In 1999, Dr. Thomas H. Belzer Ph.D wrote a book called "Sweatshops on Wheels, Winners and Losers in Trucking Deregulation".....

That was....20 years ago,........Conditions have gotten substantially worse,.....and the Union side of this business has shrunk to about 5% of truck drivers.

Any correlation?
 
hangbelly said:
You never heard of a united airlines senior captain showing up drunk when he was making a comfortable 6-figure income and full pension benefits prior to airline deregulation in 1978. Mystery solved...
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Happened more than you think. I worked in crew scheduling in the late 60's happened a lot, you just never heard about it.
 
joes bar and grill said:
Happened more than you think. I worked in crew scheduling in the late 60's happened a lot, you just never heard about it.
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That’s frightening......I quit drinking way back in the ‘70’s,.....after I missed a few work calls.....
Personal choice.........feeding my family was more important than partying.....

Of course, I didn’t have a......co-pilot to pull my head up after I zoned out on the steering wheel........

I would hope pilots making a six figure salary,.....would have better sense......
 
ED FORCE ONE said:
Aw man , you had a sweet schedule , sorry your all beat up now
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392.3. Read it. Understand it. Use it when needed. Of all the rules & reg's, 392.3 can protect you from your employer. Find out what works, & what does not. Here is a link to an attorney Paul Taylor who has helped drivers re-gain their jobs. Read the cases, it will explain what works & what does not. von.

https://www.truckersjusticecenter.com/
 
ragpicker said:
11 or 12 hours a day for a 4 day work week was enough. Then they decided to add Friday nights to utility. Now pushing 60 hrs every week. Then when you book off due to fatigue tm will write you up at the drop of a hat.
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I used to run UE until they changed it to five days. My run was over 10 hours driving time which pushed us right against the 60-hour limit every week. Filed a grievance on forced excessive overtime. They posted a 40 hour bid knowing that it was impossible to run it without working at least 55 hours. That was right before they eliminated all the longer UE runs. Grievance was never heard because they eliminated the run. Many dozen next day points suddenly went to 3 to 4 day points. That's what happens when you have bean counters running a trucking company.
 
Songremainsthesame said:
When hasn’t it been? At least the pay (in certain sectors) makes it somewhat worthwhile...
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True, but good God...I gave up on chasing the dollars years ago. To me, getting home at a decent time of day and having family time in the evenings became much more important. But, like a masochist, I stayed in LTL until retirement. Silly me.
 
Trucker 206 said:
True, but good God...I gave up on chasing the dollars years ago. To me, getting home at a decent time of day and having family time in the evenings became much more important. But, like a masochist, I stayed in LTL until retirement. Silly me.
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I understand about the dollars my check last friday was missing a 30 mile move and three hours of breakdown time , it would take so much fighting and unpaid time chasing people around to get it. I will let them keep it and plus the last time something like this happened it was like a hundred bucks they said it would be on the next check and in true trucking company management ways the next check had a hunderd bucks deducted
 
ED FORCE ONE said:
I understand about the dollars my check last friday was missing a 30 mile move and three hours of breakdown time , it would take so much fighting and unpaid time chasing people around to get it. I will let them keep it and plus the last time something like this happened it was like a hundred bucks they said it would be on the next check and in true trucking company management ways the next check had a hunderd bucks deducted
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Funny how these fully-automated payroll systems can occasionally ‘miss’ an entry.
 
canaryinthemine said:
In 1999, Dr. Thomas H. Belzer Ph.D wrote a book called "Sweatshops on Wheels, Winners and Losers in Trucking Deregulation".....

That was....20 years ago,........Conditions have gotten substantially worse,.....and the Union side of this business has shrunk to about 5% of truck drivers.

Any correlation?
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I'm gonna google that..would love to buy a copy..,
 
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