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Homesick said:
Poor baby. Everyone who voted yes on the contract (the majority of dues paying members) was not a true Teamster (according to cry baby sacs) because they didn't vote his way. Poor girl afraid of responsibility. Poor baby can't figure out how most people can plan for retirement. OH-MY what will baby sacs do when she gets retirement age? Beg money from the government? Yes! Begging is what baby sacs is good at; she has spent most of her life begging for one thing or another.
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Ohhhh, did I hurt your whittle feelings? No one believes your bogus story moron.
 
canaryinthemine said:
and the luck.....Luck is a big part,...if you didn’t already know...)
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Interesting how you describe another person's success and years of experience (trial and error, research, knowledge) as luck. Is that what age and experience brings, nothing but luck? We learn nothing along lifes journey but to depend upon luck?
 
Homesick said:
No you didn't hurt my feelings but you did **** me off. I wonder if Jeff should do to us what he did to Bubba Gump?
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Jeff can do whatever he wants. I’m not gonna sit here and listen to you down talk to people. Canary didn’t say anything to you. But yet you’re here telling him he’s uneducated and anyone who doesn’t agree with you is also. As far as I’m concerned you can go pound sand!
 
SAC75 said:
Once a scumbag always a scumbag! I always thought you was a worthless teamster. Every time I hear you brag about how smart you are I think about how only dumb people brag about things like that. If I remember correctly you were the biggest crybaby ever around contract time when everyone was smashing your little feelings in the dirt. Go ahead and respond, you’re back on ignore idiot.
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It's been my observation over the years that the more people say they the less they actually have. Lots of properties, all leveraged, everything financed.
 
canaryinthemine said:
And we wish you well with that , Bro. Song.......But the “proof of the pudding” , as it were.........is when you retire.....

I’m sure your financial advisor charges reasonable fees to manage your money.......I would think, for the “average” investor.......paying someone else to do the investing....would be the wisest course....

I, for one,....have no tolerance for “risking” my retirement money......so, if I were still working, and only had a 401(k).......I would probably choose a financial advisor, too.....

I've heard a few "horror stories" of guys either mis-planning or mis-managing their lump-sum payout going into retirement. I know of one, for sure,...who had to return to his former employer......

Keep employing that financial advisor as you ease into retirement, Brother.......We are all working people,...and whichever "vehicle" you retire with......should allow you a degree of comfort and safety.

Defined-benefit pensions used to do that,....but after a series of disastrous legislation and failures in Teamster "leadership",........we no longer have that......

Hopefully, in the future,....defined-contribution 401(k)'s won't draw the same scrutiny from unscrupulous people that defined-benefit pensions have.......
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I’ve got a lot of easing left to do... as I figure it at least 26 more years of easing...
 
canaryinthemine said:
And we wish you well with that , Bro. Song.......But the “proof of the pudding” , as it were.........is when you retire.....

I’m sure your financial advisor charges reasonable fees to manage your money.......I would think, for the “average” investor.......paying someone else to do the investing....would be the wisest course....

I, for one,....have no tolerance for “risking” my retirement money......so, if I were still working, and only had a 401(k).......I would probably choose a financial advisor, too.....

I've heard a few "horror stories" of guys either mis-planning or mis-managing their lump-sum payout going into retirement. I know of one, for sure,...who had to return to his former employer......

Keep employing that financial advisor as you ease into retirement, Brother.......We are all working people,...and whichever "vehicle" you retire with......should allow you a degree of comfort and safety.

Defined-benefit pensions used to do that,....but after a series of disastrous legislation and failures in Teamster "leadership",........we no longer have that......

Hopefully, in the future,....defined-contribution 401(k)'s won't draw the same scrutiny from unscrupulous people that defined-benefit pensions have.......
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You need to make up your mind!
In one post you state.

So,...Wall Street had to create a.....financial disaster in 2008,.....to kick many....NOT ALL....Funds into dangerous territory...
A few "friends" on Congress to pass some...slimy legislation,...and,...Viola'!......you have a "pension crisis"....



And in this post you blame Teamsters leadership?
 
dokman said:
You need to make up your mind!
In one post you state.

So,...Wall Street had to create a.....financial disaster in 2008,.....to kick many....NOT ALL....Funds into dangerous territory...
A few "friends" on Congress to pass some...slimy legislation,...and,...Viola'!......you have a "pension crisis"....



And in this post you blame Teamsters leadership?
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It is easy to see your point in hindsight. When he started, the pension funds were the standard. Easy to say now after the government changed the rules that he’s wrong. He’s not wrong, the government just changed the rules in the middle of the game.
 
dokman said:
You need to make up your mind!
In one post you state.

So,...Wall Street had to create a.....financial disaster in 2008,.....to kick many....NOT ALL....Funds into dangerous territory...
A few "friends" on Congress to pass some...slimy legislation,...and,...Viola'!......you have a "pension crisis"....



And in this post you blame Teamsters leadership?
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Read canary’s post carefully...

Defined-benefit pensions used to do that,....but after a series of disastrous legislation and failures in Teamster "leadership",........we no longer have that......

Note that he said: “...but after a series of disastrous legislation AND failures in Teamster leadership...”

The word AND appears for a reason, meaning both conditions existed at the same time. It wasn’t an ‘either/or’ situation.

Do us all a favor, dikman...stay off of our board. All you do here is bash the Union and our Pension. Ignore list.
 
SAC75 said:
I’ve got 22 years to fix my pension. I started a 401k a long time ago. I feel sorry for the guys that don’t have another option. I got a warning when I started. a lot of guys don’t have that opportunity now.
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I’ve never been a union member so I don’t have a pension to fix, but I have taken advantage of the max marching I can get from my company in the 401. Since I just changed jobs I have to see what our retirement plan looks like here. It’s a much much smaller company but I’ve got a good start on a nest egg to roll over into a retirement account with my private investments.
 
Trucker 206 said:
Read canary’s post carefully...

Defined-benefit pensions used to do that,....but after a series of disastrous legislation and failures in Teamster "leadership",........we no longer have that......

Note that he said: “...but after a series of disastrous legislation AND failures in Teamster leadership...”

The word AND appears for a reason, meaning both conditions existed at the same time. It wasn’t an ‘either/or’ situation.

Do us all a favor, dikman...stay off of our board. All you do here is bash the Union and our Pension. Ignore list.
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Thanks for your mindful post.
First off it is dokman not dolman.
Second I am 31 year Teamster.
Third you need to re read my post slowly and study it. One post he blames Wall Street and next post he blames union leaders.
I have done neither and want my pension also. In 96 I saw an opportunity to provide for myself and family and did so with 401 k.
I have learned over the years that some people can’t be disciplined to do something, so they bad mouth someone else for doing it.
We had a lazy guy at our barn that did not want any OT so he bad mouthed any one that worked any and would raise hell with management for offering any.
Some times Trucker two zero six you have to face life’s facts and realize no matter how thin you slice the bologna there is always two sides, and you may not like the other side
(Opinion or fact).
On I side note stop and think why our country is in such a mess, depending on some else to take care of us!

Mr Charming I yield back!
 
dokman said:
Thanks for your mindful post.
First off it is dokman not dolman.
Second I am 31 year Teamster.
Third you need to re read my post slowly and study it. One post he blames Wall Street and next post he blames union leaders.
I have done neither and want my pension also. In 96 I saw an opportunity to provide for myself and family and did so with 401 k.
I have learned over the years that some people can’t be disciplined to do something, so they bad mouth someone else for doing it.
We had a lazy guy at our barn that did not want any OT so he bad mouthed any one that worked any and would raise hell with management for offering any.
Some times Trucker two zero six you have to face life’s facts and realize no matter how thin you slice the bologna there is always two sides, and you may not like the other side
(Opinion or fact).
On I side note stop and think why our country is in such a mess, depending on some else to take care of us!

Mr Charming I yield back!
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Do you think our union leader's should have let UPS buy out of the pension? Where's the 6 billion? Would CSPF be in this condition if UPS was still in the plan & YRC was made to contribute their fair share? Somebody made these decision's and wasn't you or me, so it goes back to our leadership....
 
dokman said:
You need to make up your mind!
In one post you state.

So,...Wall Street had to create a.....financial disaster in 2008,.....to kick many....NOT ALL....Funds into dangerous territory...
A few "friends" on Congress to pass some...slimy legislation,...and,...Viola'!......you have a "pension crisis"....



And in this post you blame Teamsters leadership?
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Well,....You and I are having a conversation on another thread about the Central States Pension plan,.....On that thread, I gave you a reason why I think there was a deliberate failure,...by "leadership",.....and a deliberate attempt,...by financial lobbyists,.to influence(successfully..)...legislation.

My mind has been firmly fixed for years,....that there is a concerted effort....to change the way private-sector employees retire...
If you ...Legislate,..and mis-lead....to the point that defined-benefit pensions are wrecked,...then the only other option for working people,..is defined-contribution plans.
..(..and the defined-benefit plan that is...Social Security...)(...and we all know Congress will protect that....Right?)....

So,......is there a plan by the Financial Community to...."sell"...401(k)'s.....at the expense of defined-benefit plans?
I believe so.......(..actually "stampeding", rather than "selling"..)

Are defined-contribution plans protected by any sort of....laws?...Or is it run only by ...risk factors and "vagaries of the market"?
Would a plan like that,....be subject to unscrupulous people willing to take advantage of the lack of legal protection,...and the AVERAGE person's naivety of how the "investment" market works?

Nah........Everyone on Wall Street is as honest as the day is long,.....Right?


Songremainsthesame said:
I’ve never been a union member so I don’t have a pension to fix, but I have taken advantage of the max marching I can get from my company in the 401. Since I just changed jobs I have to see what our retirement plan looks like here. It’s a much much smaller company but I’ve got a good start on a nest egg to roll over into a retirement account with my private investments.
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Brother Songremainsthesame,.... In My Opinion....You are welcome here anytime....you bring a different perspective, from a different angle....That's good.

Actually,....everyone here has different Opinions......Everyone is welcome(My opinion....I have no say-so..)....I can handle a few abusive remarks....roll right off my back.....

Remember,....You can't ridicule someone to...your point of view.....That's an Ol' Management Tactic.....Ridicule brings either grudging acceptance, or sullen silence.........Either way,...the Ol' Management wins....

i might not convince everyone to where I'll get nominated President on a write-in ballot.......but I'll plant a little seed of dissension that might germinate into open doubt about some...conventionally-held positions.....that's my tactic.......
 
GO40 said:
Do you think our union leader's should have let UPS buy out of the pension? Where's the 6 billion? Would CSPF be in this condition if UPS was still in the plan & YRC was made to contribute their fair share? Somebody made these decision's and wasn't you or me, so it goes back to our leadership....
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You missed my point, he blames Wall Street them blames leadership. So who is at fault?
There are several factors that have put (us) in this position.

There is only one person that put you or I or our brother and sisters in a position to not have saved any personal funds for retirement, and that individual stares back at you in the mirror in the morning.
People need to take personal responsibility for their actions and not count on, or blame everyone one else for short comings in life.

Like the person that got a DUI,blaming the city for pot holes that they drove around.
 
canaryinthemine said:
Well,....You and I are having a conversation on another thread about the Central States Pension plan,.....On that thread, I gave you a reason why I think there was a deliberate failure,...by "leadership",.....and a deliberate attempt,...by financial lobbyists,.to influence(successfully..)...legislation.

My mind has been firmly fixed for years,....that there is a concerted effort....to change the way private-sector employees retire...
If you ...Legislate,..and mis-lead....to the point that defined-benefit pensions are wrecked,...then the only other option for working people,..is defined-contribution plans.
..(..and the defined-benefit plan that is...Social Security...)(...and we all know Congress will protect that....Right?)....

So,......is there a plan by the Financial Community to...."sell"...401(k)'s.....at the expense of defined-benefit plans?
I believe so.......(..actually "stampeding", rather than "selling"..)

Are defined-contribution plans protected by any sort of....laws?...Or is it run only by ...risk factors and "vagaries of the market"?
Would a plan like that,....be subject to unscrupulous people willing to take advantage of the lack of legal protection,...and the AVERAGE person's naivety of how the "investment" market works?

Nah........Everyone on Wall Street is as honest as the day is long,.....Right?




Brother Songremainsthesame,.... In My Opinion....You are welcome here anytime....you bring a different perspective, from a different angle....That's good.

Actually,....everyone here has different Opinions......Everyone is welcome(My opinion....I have no say-so..)....I can handle a few abusive remarks....roll right off my back.....

Remember,....You can't ridicule someone to...your point of view.....That's an Ol' Management Tactic.....Ridicule brings either grudging acceptance, or sullen silence.........Either way,...the Ol' Management wins....

i might not convince everyone to where I'll get nominated President on a write-in ballot.......but I'll plant a little seed of dissension that might germinate into open doubt about some...conventionally-held positions.....that's my tactic.......
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Lawyer/trucker/philosopher/actuary/financial wizard/legislative genius.
 
GO40 said:
Do you think our union leader's should have let UPS buy out of the pension? Where's the 6 billion? Would CSPF be in this condition if UPS was still in the plan & YRC was made to contribute their fair share? Somebody made these decision's and wasn't you or me, so it goes back to our leadership....
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Without question the CSPF would be in better shape if UPS were still contributing and YRC was paying full. I think those two decisions were inexcusable and shouldn’t have been allowed to occur.
 
dokman said:
You missed my point, he blames Wall Street them blames leadership. So who is at fault?
There are several factors that have put (us) in this position.

There is only one person that put you or I or our brother and sisters in a position to not have saved any personal funds for retirement, and that individual stares back at you in the mirror in the morning.
People need to take personal responsibility for their actions and not count on, or blame everyone one else for short comings in life.

Like the person that got a DUI,blaming the city for pot holes that they drove around.
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It has nothing to do about making other retirement plans, it has everything to do with holding are elected officials to make the right decision’s....How many of our elected union officials made equal sacrifice? Did they take the 15% hit in wage? Are their pension’s still getting 100% contribution....of course they are....
 
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