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Hollywoodz said:
based on the analogy presented, would you have fired your attorneys who were charging nothing to represent you? Try to be honest, please.
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If I don't like were the attorneys are taking this they yes i would fire them. What promises were made that weren't kept? That's the million dollar question....
 
Hollywoodz said:
They may use contractors as a last resort, but it is my opinion that they have made it the rule. rather than the exception.
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I think your perspective might be a little skewed. I don't think it's happening at most locations, and where it is being used, they're probably going to use it as long as they must to get the freight moved.

Looking at another way, if it was as easy as just giving it to a company guy, why wouldn't they? Contract drivers are red meat for union organizers.

Hollywoodz said:
There are terminals throughout this system that leave their own drivers home, while subs carry the freight.
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There's not enough information there. What runs does the terminal have? What are the subs running? What's the backhaul lane look like? Are there drivers down the line to move the freight? Any LTL network is incredibly complicated- you can't just look at one barn or one driver and evaluate whether work is being "stolen".
 
icuicp said:
With dockworkers being put into place in a big way , it looks like a missed opportunity for those in favor of unionization... In a unionizing effort why would you ignore these folks?
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I don't think they have- many locations, like Laredo, included dockworkers in the vote. I don't know how the vote breaks down between drivers and dock.

There were a couple locations in the Chicago area that tried to organize the dock separately around the time Trenton voted- it didn't go well.
 
Hollywoodz said:
Upgrade or hire 20 dockworkers and convince them that the company will take care of them ...IF...they just trust them and vote no. Combined with the 10 or 15 supporters who left for greener pastures and the result is what happened on Friday.
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Now why would 10-15 people leave a united workers paradise?

I'm amazed that the union locations can find anyone at all that wants to hire into that s***show.

Hollywoodz said:
They have figured out how to skirt the rules and convince misinformed laborers that their college degree allows them to know what's best for labor.
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I don't think you're any different, just the other side of the coin. Everyone is strong and smart until they vote against you, then they're ignorant cowards.

Hollywoodz said:
What reason? Let any one of them state a valid reason for decertification and I will stand corrected.
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See? You've appointed yourself the arbiter of what reasons are "valid", and that's why you're going to fail. Joining the Teamsters is like marrying a psychotic, controlling girlfriend. It doesn't get better.
 
No one is caught off guard by the decert vote in Laredo. That has been the desire of the company all along to drag out negotiations till
a location filed for decertification.
It shows that what the persuaders tell people that once you sign card your locked in is not the case.
I will not get into wether the vote was pushed by the company which would be illegal if that was the case. I do know that the company has had people there over the last month since the date was set talking to the employees trying to plead their case.
It is what it is and we move forward. That’s how the process is set up to work.
 
Hollywoodz said:
With a contract negotiation at about 85%...
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That is such a misleading statement. That 15% is the stuff that people actually care about and that will be the hardest to get. Negotiation isn't linear- you do the easy stuff first. No one joins a union to agree on federal discrimination standards and what day of the week payday will be.
 
Gene , everyone knew it was a possibility. They got the 30% to sign the petition. I know it’s the moment you been waiting for so have your moment and enjoy.
It is what it and the possibility of it happening always existed. Me and others may not like it but that’s the way it works.
 
Hollywoodz said:
There's a movement going on and it's passing you by. More workers benefited from a strike action this year than the past 33 years. Everyone else gets it.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/th...vE4OsAJOmHxzJpo29Ywid3_ilJ6h27uTx6YqOly06bd1o
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I guess you don’t want to discuss both union successes and failures. I would like to know the details of why they chose to decertify. You claim the company misled or strong armed the employees. If accurate, we should know.
 
upnorth said:
I guess you don’t want to discuss both union successes and failures. I would like to know the details of why they chose to decertify. You claim the company misled or strong armed the employees. If accurate, we should know.
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I will be the first to admit that the Teamsters have suffered more failures than successes in the XPO campaign. Of course, I don't want to discuss the failures. Gene and others do that very well. This isn't news to anyone. The company was spending millions on union busters. They have more recently chosen to handle these campaigns in house with members of their executive staff and they have been rather successful in their efforts.

I am not in Laredo, so I can only tell you what I have been told by someone I speak with on a fairly regular basis and I trust implicitly. I believe what he has told me for two simple reasons. He has no reason to lie and what he told me makes perfect sense. Since certification, 10 or more drivers have decided they would be better served by leaving and finding employment elsewhere. As this was happening, the company upgraded all their part time dockworkers to full time and hired an additional 10 dockworkers. We all remember the DVD about how Conway/XPO preferred to be union free. This time that DVD was front and center with an additional "training" session from upper management. I never said strong armed but, they were misled.

The criteria I use to claim that they were misled is also simple. XPO's latest tactic is to strongly urge these terminals to wait and see what happens in Miami, when they are well aware that waiting can only benefit the company. They tell them that the union only wants their money, but they never say that the best compensation packages in the business are UPS and ABF are both union companies. New employees, especially, are just happy to have a job, and are vulnerable to anything their new employer says. They tell them of the advantages of being and XPO employee, but they never tell them that company policy is unilateral and is subject to change at any time and for any reason, with or without notice to them.

You all can talk badly about the union at every turn, but you seem to have no answer to the question I asked in the last post. If you have a team of lawyers representing you pro bono and they haven't billed you one dime since the onset. They are negotiating a contract or a settlement with a multi national global corporation that will serve your best interests. They are close to finalizing the contract and you choose to fire them. WHY? How does it hurt you to allow negotiations continue to a close? What has it cost you?

For those terminals who voted the union down, I believe that you made a big mistake. But, that's my opinion and you are certainly entitled to your own. This post is not meant to address that issue. For those who have certified or will certify in the future, stick it out and honor the commitment you have made. In the end, if you are NOT satisfied with what the union has negotiated, you can always reject it, and go right back to where you were. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
 
Hollywoodz said:
I will be the first to admit that the Teamsters have suffered more failures than successes in the XPO campaign. Of course, I don't want to discuss the failures. Gene and others do that very well. This isn't news to anyone. The company was spending millions on union busters. They have more recently chosen to handle these campaigns in house with members of their executive staff and they have been rather successful in their efforts.

I am not in Laredo, so I can only tell you what I have been told by someone I speak with on a fairly regular basis and I trust implicitly. I believe what he has told me for two simple reasons. He has no reason to lie and what he told me makes perfect sense. Since certification, 10 or more drivers have decided they would be better served by leaving and finding employment elsewhere. As this was happening, the company upgraded all their part time dockworkers to full time and hired an additional 10 dockworkers. We all remember the DVD about how Conway/XPO preferred to be union free. This time that DVD was front and center with an additional "training" session from upper management. I never said strong armed but, they were misled.

The criteria I use to claim that they were misled is also simple. XPO's latest tactic is to strongly urge these terminals to wait and see what happens in Miami, when they are well aware that waiting can only benefit the company. They tell them that the union only wants their money, but they never say that the best compensation packages in the business are UPS and ABF are both union companies. New employees, especially, are just happy to have a job, and are vulnerable to anything their new employer says. They tell them of the advantages of being and XPO employee, but they never tell them that company policy is unilateral and is subject to change at any time and for any reason, with or without notice to them.

You all can talk badly about the union at every turn, but you seem to have no answer to the question I asked in the last post. If you have a team of lawyers representing you pro bono and they haven't billed you one dime since the onset. They are negotiating a contract or a settlement with a multi national global corporation that will serve your best interests. They are close to finalizing the contract and you choose to fire them. WHY? How does it hurt you to allow negotiations continue to a close? What has it cost you?

For those terminals who voted the union down, I believe that you made a big mistake. But, that's my opinion and you are certainly entitled to your own. This post is not meant to address that issue. For those who have certified or will certify in the future, stick it out and honor the commitment you have made. In the end, if you are NOT satisfied with what the union has negotiated, you can always reject it, and go right back to where you were. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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I did answer. You chose not to read or accept it. The union offered the contract negotiations free of their own choice. That’s the risk they chose to take. How is it the fault of the employees that they didn’t like the product the union was offering?
 
upnorth said:
I did answer. You chose not to read or accept it. The union offered the contract negotiations free of their own choice. That’s the risk they chose to take. How is it the fault of the employees that they didn’t like the product the union was offering?
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They didn't yet know what the union was offering. Contract negotiations are not discussed outside the negotiating room. All articles are labelled T/A's because they are tentative and not final until the contract is fully ratified and signed by both parties. That's why I think it's insane to reject a free service, especially when you don't even know what the final product could have been. I will tell you one thing for sure...it would have been better than what we have now.
 
Hollywoodz said:
They didn't yet know what the union was offering. Contract negotiations are not discussed outside the negotiating room. All articles are labelled T/A's because they are tentative and not final until the contract is fully ratified and signed by both parties. That's why I think it's insane to reject a free service, especially when you don't even know what the final product could have been. I will tell you one thing for sure...it would have been better than what we have now.
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Agree 100 % !
 
upnorth said:
I did answer. You chose not to read or accept it. The union offered the contract negotiations free of their own choice. That’s the risk they chose to take. How is it the fault of the employees that they didn’t like the product the union was offering?
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We have yet to hear from anybody associated with the Laredo terminal on here. Personally, I would welcome some comments, pro AND con, on the issue.
 
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