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Why does it matter if the local management is actively trying to screw you? Is local management following the rules that both they and you agree are wrong or unfair?

Organizing isn't about what the SCM is doing, it is about what his corporate bosses demand that he do. I honestly don't think my SCM really agrees with a lot of the stuff he does, but he does what the company rules tell him to do.

Organizing is about fighting against that higher level of management.

If your barn went union, your boss would follow those rules as well, even if he didn't want to. Even if he felt like it was unfair. That is what local management does.

Organize above the local level.
I understand what you're saying and in fact, I even agree with you. It's just at this point, I've not yet been able to get there.
 
You asked a good question in this post. "I understand it is key tothe to keep the company union free, but at what cost?" It is my fear that the answer to that question is selling us off and risking being owned by even a worse group of shareholders, or closing the doors on LTL altogether. After reading the two articles I posted, I truly believe that XPO will stop at nothing to prevent the employees from getting a contract, because I mean that is the bottom line, right? Their ultimate fear is a bonafide contract. I remarked earlier that the company is at war with the hourly employees and your post goes right to that in that it appears the company has never stopped to consider that these organizing efforts are warning shots that they need to improve their business model relative to us and relative to our customers. But yet no, they keep doubling down on the stuff that's damaging their credibility with the workforce and the customer. What sucks for me is that I work in a barn where labor and mngmt actually do get along and we all dislike equally what this company does and we talk about it openly. At my barn, it's like mngmt and labor are mostly in synch in our disgust with how the company goes about it's business. If I were to ever get on board with organizing I would need to do it in a place where local mngmt is actively trying to screw over the hourly employees and that isn't happening where I work. So I am torn. On one hand, I don't want to put walls between positive professional relationships at the local level, but at the corporate level I want to see a massive labor movement started just to spite them.
Totally understand and agree

We now have a great relationship with local management. Last years with Conway and prior to organizing it was not great .
 
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Con-way early on but not towards the end under stood how to keep employees satisfied. I don’t think Jacobs has a clue or quite frankly does not GAFF.

I will think Jacobs bought us partly based on he saw plenty of area to from the inside to increase profits. He did not anticipate how great the driver shortage was and how discontent some employees were .
 
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Con-way early on but not towards the end under stood how to keep employees satisfied. I don’t think Jacobs has a clue or quite frankly does not GAFF.

I will think Jacobs bought us partly based on he saw plenty of area to from the inside to increase profits. He did not anticipate how great the driver shortage was and how discontent some employees were .


How many times have we heard the statement. If you got a guy past top out. You have him for life ? Trick is. There are more options now than there ever were. And it's the guys with 10-20 years that are quitting. I think I have moved up 30 spots this year. It's close. Still can't hold anything. Keep cutting bids. And that is a big issue. Why stay here and keep moving backwards ? When you get a job somewhere else and move forward ?

That's what's hurting the most. It's not losing the new guy that don't do anything anyway. It's losing the long tenured, role model, this is how we get things done type of drivers that is killing this LTL company. We have been taken over by a bunch of millennials. And work is offensive. And expecting more than nothing from them is insulting. They have been raised by parents that always did everything for them. And they see us as being of the same age and treat us as though we should be jumping up and rushing to do it all for them.

The old school puritanical ideology has been replaced with I don't care. Someone else can do it. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a guy walk into dispatch and literally refuse a route. Throw the DRs at the dispatcher and demand a specific route because it's his route or he wants that one instead for this one for this or that reason.

It's been a weird transition for me. But I am onboard and joining in. And that's even funnier. When you do something that these privileged little snow flakes do. They look at you like, how dare you ? And say stuff like : You have been doing this for how long ? And can't get this done ? And when you try to point out that they are topped out, been working here long enough themselves and every bit as capable and more. They get loud and start to really get upset. Because saying they are competent is offensive.

So you just gotta remember. " It's not my job to do ( fill in the blank ). " Even if it is, your job to do. Literally. And my favorite. " That's not right, you don't understand. " I hear this one so many times. And it's been added to my lexicon.

When in Rome. Right ? Bring on the millennials ! I ain't scared. More than willing to get paid the same to do less. Doesn't bother me at all.

And we older guys all see this as very negative and discouraging. But this attitude is the perfect antidote for the modern workplace. The amazon-ish big brother is watching every move. Where you have ridiculous quotas that you will never obtain. And on the odd chance you do. It means tomorrows quotas will be even higher for you.

There will be a rebirth of the union in America. But the Boomers have to die off first. They done ruined it. And so long as they have their hands in it. There's no helping it. So it will be the children of the millennials that will lead that wave. Which means it will be to late for me and the rest of Gen X. But I have to believe with all we are seeing. Big labor will rise again. With new leadership and fresh blood. Listen to this AOC talk. Read some of her posts. Her children. And her children's friends. Are not going to be idle. They will be protesting and rebelling. Look at these Antifa freaks. It's a growing swarm of hostility. And it will take some time to build big enough. But it will get there. And it's not just here in America. These things are growing rapidly world wide. Which is the other part of this. There is more visibility now than ever. Did you buy those sneakers from a company utilizing slave children in Malaysia ? Are you buying avocado from Mexico ? You know the drug cartels have taken over the trade routes ? Right ? All of this is going to come full circle. You can't outrun history. Expansion always leads to contraction. Every time.

Sorry for the long read. I usually would have done the typical splitting up of many of these ideas as responses to various previous posts. But this was just easier today. Enjoy the long weekend, people.
 
I believe if XPO would give , yes give EXCELLENT health care it would put a lot of guys wanting the union at ease . I mean with all the $$$$ this company spends fighting the union if they would put it toward health ins they would be far ahead with morale and when hiring it would be a great benefit to offer a new hire .
This couldn't be one of the more intelligent, thought out posts on this thread in a while. It's 100% factual. Treat employees equally and well, pay them the best of industry standards, and give them precedent setting healthcare and retirement, and watch the union fade away in the rear view mirror.
Sounds great from our standpoint and would work well until the common employee realized that they just showed some type of power/control over the corporate office.
There are things in place to keep us in our place. That's why they will keep fighting the union and paying millions to do it. Millions that could be more productive elsewhere. They know, that we know, if they can beat the Teamsters, what chance do we stand for speaking up for ourselves? NADA. NOTHING. NEVER.
 
How many times have we heard the statement. If you got a guy past top out. You have him for life ? Trick is. There are more options now than there ever were. And it's the guys with 10-20 years that are quitting. I think I have moved up 30 spots this year. It's close. Still can't hold anything. Keep cutting bids. And that is a big issue. Why stay here and keep moving backwards ? When you get a job somewhere else and move forward ?

That's what's hurting the most. It's not losing the new guy that don't do anything anyway. It's losing the long tenured, role model, this is how we get things done type of drivers that is killing this LTL company. We have been taken over by a bunch of millennials. And work is offensive. And expecting more than nothing from them is insulting. They have been raised by parents that always did everything for them. And they see us as being of the same age and treat us as though we should be jumping up and rushing to do it all for them.

The old school puritanical ideology has been replaced with I don't care. Someone else can do it. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a guy walk into dispatch and literally refuse a route. Throw the DRs at the dispatcher and demand a specific route because it's his route or he wants that one instead for this one for this or that reason.

It's been a weird transition for me. But I am onboard and joining in. And that's even funnier. When you do something that these privileged little snow flakes do. They look at you like, how dare you ? And say stuff like : You have been doing this for how long ? And can't get this done ? And when you try to point out that they are topped out, been working here long enough themselves and every bit as capable and more. They get loud and start to really get upset. Because saying they are competent is offensive.

So you just gotta remember. " It's not my job to do ( fill in the blank ). " Even if it is, your job to do. Literally. And my favorite. " That's not right, you don't understand. " I hear this one so many times. And it's been added to my lexicon.

When in Rome. Right ? Bring on the millennials ! I ain't scared. More than willing to get paid the same to do less. Doesn't bother me at all.

And we older guys all see this as very negative and discouraging. But this attitude is the perfect antidote for the modern workplace. The amazon-ish big brother is watching every move. Where you have ridiculous quotas that you will never obtain. And on the odd chance you do. It means tomorrows quotas will be even higher for you.

There will be a rebirth of the union in America. But the Boomers have to die off first. They done ruined it. And so long as they have their hands in it. There's no helping it. So it will be the children of the millennials that will lead that wave. Which means it will be to late for me and the rest of Gen X. But I have to believe with all we are seeing. Big labor will rise again. With new leadership and fresh blood. Listen to this AOC talk. Read some of her posts. Her children. And her children's friends. Are not going to be idle. They will be protesting and rebelling. Look at these Antifa freaks. It's a growing swarm of hostility. And it will take some time to build big enough. But it will get there. And it's not just here in America. These things are growing rapidly world wide. Which is the other part of this. There is more visibility now than ever. Did you buy those sneakers from a company utilizing slave children in Malaysia ? Are you buying avocado from Mexico ? You know the drug cartels have taken over the trade routes ? Right ? All of this is going to come full circle. You can't outrun history. Expansion always leads to contraction. Every time.

Sorry for the long read. I usually would have done the typical splitting up of many of these ideas as responses to various previous posts. But this was just easier today. Enjoy the long weekend, people.
I am a 20+ year man....we have had many retirements lately....they aren't helping us a bit. Still stuck in the same board spot as we have been the last few bid cycles. Nothing added, just eliminated.
 
If you truly can not disambiguate the difference between building and selling a house and buying a company and stripping it of all of its cash reserves, selling all of its assets, debt loading, and then parting it out on the scrap heap, I'm not sure where to even go with this conversation.
I do have to ask other then Con-way Truckload what assets have been sold??? When he bought Con-way yes he got the cash reserves but he also pick-up all of Con-ways debt.
 
You answered your own question. He sold them because he never actually wanted to have to deal with them long term. Build, gut, sell.
Yes he sold the trash part but he stepped down from united rentals. To me it sound like the Con-way exc's were glad someone want to buy this place. Con-way was in the slow death mode and need some major changes or we would be below CF in the bone yard.
 
One reason most companies fight so hard against unions is that the benefits package isn't cheap. Ups Freight pays around $400 a week for our package. The health,dental,and vision plans are second to none and because our pension is a single contributory plan it's not only safe but fully insured so even if they go belly up our pension is 100% guaranteed. Plus then there are rules that both sides must follow.
 
One reason most companies fight so hard against unions is that the benefits package isn't cheap. Ups Freight pays around $400 a week for our package. The health,dental,and vision plans are second to none and because our pension is a single contributory plan it's not only safe but fully insured so even if they go belly up our pension is 100% guaranteed. Plus then there are rules that both sides must follow.
It’s not cheap to fight the union either . Give XPO employees the same ins and most talk of the union would go away . Instead they choose to waste it on fighting the union where if they would give toward ins they would have a lot better morale .
 
It’s not cheap to fight the union either . Give XPO employees the same ins and most talk of the union would go away . Instead they choose to waste it on fighting the union where if they would give toward ins they would have a lot better morale .
Because being non union allows them to offer lesser quality insurance and take when they need . That really what it’s all about . If they were truly concerned with morale there was/is many better ways to approach things . The shear lack of communication to the workers is at the very least puzzling.
The only concern right now is running the share price up . Customers and employees are secondary at best.
 
Because being non union allows them to offer lesser quality insurance and take when they need . That really what it’s all about . If they were truly concerned with morale there was/is many better ways to approach things . The shear lack of communication to the workers is at the very least puzzling.
The only concern right now is running the share price up . Customers and employees are secondary at best.


Which is exactly why customers and employees are leaving. Which seems to be jerking the stock price around quite a bit. You don't think he regrets buying Con-way ? Before this he was the darling of the sector. His asset light XPO nothing but profit. A model for others to use on how to be successful in the modern market.
 
These kids won't do this job. To many hoops to jump through. Can't smoke weed. To many hours. No set schedule. :::shit:::ty health care. I don't blame them. The compensation is no longer enough to be worth the risks. This job is literally more dangerous than being a cop or a firefighter. The only reasons we all got into doing this work is for the income, retirement and health care. That was back then. Now the income don't go as far as it used to. And the retirement and health care are obsolete. And this company works to find ways to cheat it's employees out of more and more everyday. Been that way since around 2006. Long before XPO ever bought us. Where and how do you think a shortage will end ? With this being the status quo.
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How many times have we heard the statement. If you got a guy past top out. You have him for life ? Trick is. There are more options now than there ever were. And it's the guys with 10-20 years that are quitting. I think I have moved up 30 spots this year. It's close. Still can't hold anything. Keep cutting bids. And that is a big issue. Why stay here and keep moving backwards ? When you get a job somewhere else and move forward ?

That's what's hurting the most. It's not losing the new guy that don't do anything anyway. It's losing the long tenured, role model, this is how we get things done type of drivers that is killing this LTL company. We have been taken over by a bunch of millennials. And work is offensive. And expecting more than nothing from them is insulting. They have been raised by parents that always did everything for them. And they see us as being of the same age and treat us as though we should be jumping up and rushing to do it all for them.

The old school puritanical ideology has been replaced with I don't care. Someone else can do it. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a guy walk into dispatch and literally refuse a route. Throw the DRs at the dispatcher and demand a specific route because it's his route or he wants that one instead for this one for this or that reason.

It's been a weird transition for me. But I am onboard and joining in. And that's even funnier. When you do something that these privileged little snow flakes do. They look at you like, how dare you ? And say stuff like : You have been doing this for how long ? And can't get this done ? And when you try to point out that they are topped out, been working here long enough themselves and every bit as capable and more. They get loud and start to really get upset. Because saying they are competent is offensive.

So you just gotta remember. " It's not my job to do ( fill in the blank ). " Even if it is, your job to do. Literally. And my favorite. " That's not right, you don't understand. " I hear this one so many times. And it's been added to my lexicon.

When in Rome. Right ? Bring on the millennials ! I ain't scared. More than willing to get paid the same to do less. Doesn't bother me at all.

And we older guys all see this as very negative and discouraging. But this attitude is the perfect antidote for the modern workplace. The amazon-ish big brother is watching every move. Where you have ridiculous quotas that you will never obtain. And on the odd chance you do. It means tomorrows quotas will be even higher for you.

There will be a rebirth of the union in America. But the Boomers have to die off first. They done ruined it. And so long as they have their hands in it. There's no helping it. So it will be the children of the millennials that will lead that wave. Which means it will be to late for me and the rest of Gen X. But I have to believe with all we are seeing. Big labor will rise again. With new leadership and fresh blood. Listen to this AOC talk. Read some of her posts. Her children. And her children's friends. Are not going to be idle. They will be protesting and rebelling. Look at these Antifa freaks. It's a growing swarm of hostility. And it will take some time to build big enough. But it will get there. And it's not just here in America. These things are growing rapidly world wide. Which is the other part of this. There is more visibility now than ever. Did you buy those sneakers from a company utilizing slave children in Malaysia ? Are you buying avocado from Mexico ? You know the drug cartels have taken over the trade routes ? Right ? All of this is going to come full circle. You can't outrun history. Expansion always leads to contraction. Every time.

Sorry for the long read. I usually would have done the typical splitting up of many of these ideas as responses to various previous posts. But this was just easier today. Enjoy the long weekend, people.
you nailed it
 
Anti union group showed up at my terminal this morning. They said that Aurora is going to decertify is this true

They are attempting a decert in Aurora, based on their success in Laredo. I no longer wish to speculate on the outcome. Nothing would surprise me. Recently, the NLRB ruled in favor of the Teamsters in Aurora with respect to purchased transportation and hostler operators. Nearly 35K was awarded to Aurora drivers in missed wages paid to outside contractors. Xpo was ordered to return the work to the bargaining unit and cease using outside contractors for these specific runs and NOT in general. With that in mind, I would think these guys would be acting against their own self interests should they choose to decertify. I guess we'll see.
 
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