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At our terminal we have a very anal terminal manager. He goes by the so called "matrix " for how many city drivers he puts on the street. I guess this "matrix" is a formulation that YRC uses for manpower usage. X amount of bills = y amount of drivers. As one of the junior men(on the list for 3+ years) in the industry for 30+ years believe me it is very frustrating to be sent home 3 days a week due to lack of work! And the very next day go in for the 8'oclock shape and hear how many pick-ups were missed due to lack of man-power. Or when you go to a customer the next day and they ask you where you were for the last 2 days. because yellow missed the pick up ! They say dispatch says they have an attendence problem. I tell them to call the 1 800 number and complain to customer service, be cause calling the terminal will get them no where as they are the ones cutting man-power.
I understand that when it's slo some people get hurt especially the bottom men.
So being it is slow and we all know that you cannot provide for a family on 2-3 days a week, we seek employment part time, on or off the books to help until the "good times " return. I've been lucky in that respect and found other things to do. Not steady but enough to help. And I am truly amazed as to how busy other small carriers are. There is so much freight out there to be picked up for these "nitche carriers" I cannot under stand why YRC doesn't go after this bussiness. Is it better to haul freight at high prices and get very little of this freight or would it be better to go after more freight and charge less to haul it just to keep the trucks moving and full?? YRC has the equipment and manpower to really put a hurt on the industry if they so decided to. Is it better to move a set of mt's 500 miles or would we do better to move a truck load 500 miles and gross $1500 to the truck for the move. These small carriers are making profits and hurting YRC.
My theory would be to lower prices and sink the smaller guys. Then when things get good and there is less competition it would be a boom and YRC would be the Fat Cats in the freight business.
Am I missing something or just looking to deeply into this.
Oh yeah, I understand how overworked our sales staff is:hysterical: ,and this would mean they will have to do somethin productive.
Let me know what you thinK
JR
 
johnnyrotten said:
Is it better to haul freight at high prices and get very little of this freight or would it be better to go after more freight and charge less to haul it just to keep the trucks moving and full?? YRC has the equipment and manpower to really put a hurt on the industry if they so decided to. Is it better to move a set of mt's 500 miles or would we do better to move a truck load 500 miles and gross $1500 to the truck for the move. These small carriers are making profits and hurting YRC.
My theory would be to lower prices and sink the smaller guys.
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anytime you cut the price..its much harder to raise it and and gain back your loss and retain your customer...you should sell a reliable service that makes paying the extra money worth the cost. don't give away your profits for the sake of just moving a truck.
 
I hope they are not sending you home after they call you in because if you are a full timer you are guaranteed 8 if they call you
 
Johnnyrotten, It kind of makes you wonder what our salesmen are doing. I know they receive a salary but, are they actively going out to seek new business or are they just masaging their favorite customers. They can cry poor mouth all they want because it's a contract year. Someone needs to do a better job and they aren't union people. I think most of us are doing everything we can.:1036316054:
 
Right you are Grandpa < I agree 100 percent.



I hope they are not sending you home after they call you in because if you are a full timer you are guaranteed 8 if they call you
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Rad...........I'm on the shape which means I show up @ 8 and if there is work i work if not i go home. I'm a city driver. You are right............. If they called me they would have to guarantee me 8.

I'm surprised..........I am not getting the amount of responses I thought I would. I guess alls well in other sectors of Wally World!!:Zzzz:
 
johnnyrotten said:
Right you are Grandpa < I agree 100 percent.





Rad...........I'm on the shape which means I show up @ 8 and if there is work i work if not i go home. I'm a city driver. You are right............. If they called me they would have to guarantee me 8.

I'm surprised..........I am not getting the amount of responses I thought I would. I guess alls well in other sectors of Wally World!!:Zzzz:
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We are slow in the San Francisco area, at our small end-of-line terminal, and there have been layoffs recently. But the drivers and management agreed to allow and take CC days so that the lower guys will continue to work. Otherwise, we run the risk of losing some very good drivers to the competition; not to mention the family they have to feed.
 
JR..This has been an equation[Bills per hour} :chairshot: since I have been in freight..I know they use it at Newpenn and they used it at Redstar..Then they always got beat in the afternoon when they didn't have enough bodies to to handle the Pick-ups..Then the customers get pissy and start giving the freight to another carrier:hide: only to find out they do the same thing.In the long run it sucks,but to corporate,it all about the bottom line..We are the worker bees and we just don't see the whole picture:hysterical:
 
JohnnyRotten it's slow all over the place they are laying off in a lot of regions of the country. I have 6+ years at STL and I'm only getting one or two trips a week. We have 27 or s layed off and expect more inthe next week. I noticed the other day on my run that I was way ahead of schedule and couldn't figure out why. But then I got to thiking about it and even with my full hour break and 15 min pre-trip and that god stuff + a couple minute to load all my gear , there was hardly any traffic out on the road and very little truck traffic as well. I guess when you can set the cruise and not have to deal with traffic you can save a little time. Just thought that was kind of odd. But no it's slow in a lot of places.
 
Sounds like Lancaster, except in the city if the matrix says 50 guys they'll run with 40-45, and every night samething, slammed with picks and nobody to get them. Then there's the dispatching.......... :hide:
 
johnnyrotten said:
Rad...........I'm on the shape which means I show up @ 8 and if there is work i work if not i go home. I'm a city driver. You are right............. If they called me they would have to guarantee me 8.
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Mikeeee, when he was on here, always talked about &quot;the shape&quot;. I figured it was East Coast slang, and still have no idea what it is. Does that mean you are a casual???? Otherwise, according to the contract, there can only be 10% of the Board on call-- at least here in the Central States.

Here, either you're a casual, a fulltime 10%, or full-time on bid. The first two have to be called in order to work, except the bidmen, which have bid starting times.. All based on the Matrix, which tells management how many to call, or CC (Company Convieneince-- where you can stay home for no pay without being penalized for not showing up for work. Here, no one simply shows up and gets put to work.
 
Stan Smith said:
Bob Dylan's song is fitting, don't you say?
YouTube - &quot;Times are changing&quot; - Bob Dylan

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Awww a Dylan fan...seen him play many times!! I thought the 2004 60min interview w/Ed Bradly was way cool!

Words by Bob Dylan 1965
Darkness at the break of noon
Shadows even the silver spoon
The handmade blade, the child's balloon
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
There is no sense in trying
 
Hey Jimmy G, next time I see Mikee I'll ask him. I don't see him alot any more but he's still working at STL on that STP bid. STLdude may know what you are referring too. But I have no clue. When it comes to that East Coast slang. I had a hard enough time trying to understand their version of English when I was on the EDS bid.
 
jimmy g said:
Mikeeee, when he was on here, always talked about &quot;the shape&quot;. I figured it was East Coast slang, and still have no idea what it is. Does that mean you are a casual???? Otherwise, according to the contract, there can only be 10% of the Board on call-- at least here in the Central States.

Here, either you're a casual, a fulltime 10%, or full-time on bid. The first two have to be called in order to work, except the bidmen, which have bid starting times.. All based on the Matrix, which tells management how many to call, or CC (Company Convieneince-- where you can stay home for no pay without being penalized for not showing up for work. Here, no one simply shows up and gets put to work.
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The shape applies to all city drivers on the seniority list who choose not to take a bid or are on the bottom of the list & cannot get a bid starting time such as 6 & 7AM, noon, 4, 8 & 11PM or midnight. The shape time is 8AM. We are not required to call in & book off. If you want to work you show up at 8AM & are put to work in seniority order. In the NY/NJ area most peddle runs go out on the 8AM shape. We can pick our starting times but not our work assignments (runs)
 
Hi,
how long have you been with the co?
Matrix has been going on as long as I remember,Which is too long!
Bill count,bill count,bill count,thats what it's all about!
wolleyworldd
 
I agree somewhat with texasflood but I do know as far as the IND region we have a company that is home based in HOU and ship with us from TX to IND all the time they priced a return load to HOU and yellows price was over $6.00 a mile !!!!
 
TEAMSTERS they're not EXTINCT

yellowgy said:
We are slow in the San Francisco area, at our small end-of-line terminal, and there have been layoffs recently. But the drivers and management agreed to allow and take CC days so that the lower guys will continue to work. Otherwise, we run the risk of losing some very good drivers to the competition; not to mention the family they have to feed.
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Brother, you about jerked a tear outta me. I hope everyone stands up and takes notice of your actions, because y'all did what any teamster should do, but most have forgotten how to. Share the work, you are your brother's keeper.

Thanks for the post... You make me proud to be a TEAMSTER again.&quot;
 
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