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The placarding exceptions do not apply for what you were hauling ... you have a chance with getting your citation thrown out with the paper work being incorrect by the trooper ... I wish you luck but that is really your only out with the paperwork done by the trooper is messed up.

Why doesnt the exception apply?
subnote f applies to railcars not tractor trailer.
Because it is just a "basic" table to go by on certain placarding in what you found here I believe is this site...
Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:

That chart just covers the "basics" ... when you have primary and secondaries you need to cross reference the books that should be provided to you in your dispatch office or the shipper. There are some haz mat that is a little more involved especially when chemical companies are within your p and d routes and deal with PIH
 
Unfortunately the placarding rules are you have to placard for the primary if the secondary is a table 1 hm. No way around that rule. A rule of thumb is if your not sure placard for it. You can placard for every hm in your trailer if you want, but if you miss a required placard you will get in trouble. I usually don't advise you placard for every HM but in this case it might have saved you. Who wants to be walking bilboard right? Hopefully you get lucky if the trooper used the wrong shipment on the ticket, but then they might ask why you had PIH placards.
 
u.s lonestar.unfortunetly the officer was right.i handle these types of haz-mat often.line haul drivers with sealed loads would not have to worry about the box not being strapped but they are responsible for the placards.even if the red sheet that we in the east recieve with the dispatch.it is the drivers responsibility to go over it,and trust me its wrong more than you think.as a city driver the haz-mat paper work and loading fall on you.i would recomend you get a lawyer and explain the situation to the judge.with your past being completely clean im sure he will cut you some slack.good luck.
 
With the placarding rule the officer is correct. As for him putting the wrong shipping number that could be a technicality that might get it thrown out of court. Would definitly get a lawyer and have it fought. Regaurdless that you needed the additional placards the officer not doing the paperwork properly should be enough to save you some cash. Might wanna play the lottery tonight as it looks like its your lucky day.
 
On a city run before you do anything get your manager involved. CYA. CYA. Do not leave the yard or a shippers dock before you get the manager to concur with you on how to load and placard. If the manager does not know, do not load it. When you get into hazmats with multi placards get the ok from management. They have a thick hazmat book in the office for just this type of situation.

If that trooper had you put this hazmat box ontop of other freight that is a no no. A 2 lb box is secure in itself. Now a 55gal drum is a different story.
 
On a city run before you do anything get your manager involved. CYA. CYA. Do not leave the yard or a shippers dock before you get the manager to concur with you on how to load and placard. If the manager does not know, do not load it. When you get into hazmats with multi placards get the ok from management. They have a thick hazmat book in the office for just this type of situation.

If that trooper had you put this hazmat box ontop of other freight that is a no no. A 2 lb box is secure in itself. Now a 55gal drum is a different story.

Can you direct me towards a regulation about putting hazmat on top of other freight? anybody? Im trying to whittle this down to a couple of hundred bucks, not a couple of thousand........and as far as a lawyer goes, hell, thatll cost more than the ticket!!!
 
All I have to say as a driver here anytime hazmat involved go over and over your bound to find an error. I would thank you city dispatcher as well but as we know the end is the driver.
Did you have one flip and one slide placard?
As for the fines in IL a conway driver i know got hit at the moline scales with no placards and was told up to $5000 per side. It was reduced to $200 per side plus the company had their fine too.
 
All I have to say as a driver here anytime hazmat involved go over and over your bound to find an error. I would thank you city dispatcher as well but as we know the end is the driver.
Did you have one flip and one slide placard?
As for the fines in IL a conway driver i know got hit at the moline scales with no placards and was told up to $5000 per side. It was reduced to $200 per side plus the company had their fine too.

Im a city driver so it fell on me....here in Texas, I dont know the fine yet, but Im sure the company will have no fines, just me. How did the driver get it so drastically reduced? I had placards for Inhalation haz, but he said that I needed the primary as well........:hide:
 
Im a city driver so it fell on me....here in Texas, I dont know the fine yet, but Im sure the company will have no fines, just me. How did the driver get it so drastically reduced? I had placards for Inhalation haz, but he said that I needed the primary as well........:hide:

I was talking to some of the conway boys and it was really quiet about fines so I would suggest at the least talking to an attorney who deals with trucking. Sorry I couldnt be more help.
 
Can anyone help me with the following scenario, maybe I can beat these two tickets........
I got two tickets from the DOT today..... I had a 2 Lb box of inhalation haz zone B that was classified as (primary) corrosive, secondary 6.1 Poison Inhalation hazard. I placarded my trailer with Inhalation hazard and took off. I got stopped, the trooper told me that as a table one haz, I needed to placard for the primary, (corrosive) as well as the secondary, (IH), because it was a table one (which doesnt go by the 1001 lb rule) Zone A and B are exempt from the 1001 rule. So, I got two tickets, placarding , and not securing the HM, because the small two pound sample box was not secured, it was just sitting on the floor between two pallets, (imagine that) he made me put it on top of another pallet and put a strap around it, that I had to make fit......straps are hard to put around a box that is no bigger than a toaster......I got screwed.......any help? I guess Ill have to eat it, but it sux, Im looking for a loophole around this , maybe I can tell the judge something different that will make this trooper look like an idiot, according to DOT regs, or am I screwed?

:popcorn:the ony subsidary hazards you placard for are Inhalation hazard and Dangerous when wet. You did not have to show the corrosive since it was under 1001 lbs. The
securement ticket is a law, no mater what haz you have it has to be secured.:woot:
 
:popcorn:the ony subsidary hazards you placard for are Inhalation hazard and Dangerous when wet. You did not have to show the corrosive since it was under 1001 lbs. The
securement ticket is a law, no mater what haz you have it has to be secured.:woot:

You are wrong about not placarding the corrosive. Go check Phosphorus oxychloride [UN1810] in the haz mat chart when you get to work and come back tomorrow and tell me what you find. You need to look at the chart in the red book in your dispatch office. You are guessing about your placarding.
 
Update!!!

I followed a link from this site called tixnix.com...... a local lawyer contacted me and he looked at my case and called the court. Total fine was $655, he said that if I hire him, he felt sure he could get one fine dropped with a payment of $200 on the other fine, and I wouldnt even have to go to court. He charges $250, so altogether for $450, I could get this resolved at a savings of $200 and wouldnt have to go to court and even having 1 fine dropped. The courts here are severely backed up, and this guy is famous for a large volume of these type cases. Im gonna do it......seems like the best option for me.....thanks truckingboards!!!:smilies-19296:
 
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