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Have you noticed how the first part of every request for further concessions, or excuse by the onion starts with something about this "greatest recession since the Depression" or: "tough economic times" or something to that effect. It's supposed to instill fear in everyone, but the authors of these letters and speeches never mention anything about THEIR sacrifice. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS NONE! This is all a great lie put on by high paid strategists to take everything anyone has ever worked for. We all cower down as soon as someone says recession, lost jobs, layoffs and so on. Ooooh, I'm so scared!- Lawrence H. Summers, Obama's top economic adviser, described it as Rahm's Doctrine. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, what I mean by that is that it's an opportunity to do things you could not do before." So well said, don't you think?
 
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littlesister10 said:
well I do not believe that it is misdirected. The union was intended to produce a fair days work for a fair days wage. That unfortunatly has been distorted along the way. The unions, instead of protecting the union members have decided to make a buisness out of controlling buisnesses. If you had a buisness would you like the union coming in and telling you how to run your buisness, determining how much profit you were allowed to make and then having the government coming in and filling you up with regulation and taxes? It is no wonder companies are leaving this country in groves. It is not profitable to do buisness here any more. and oboma? yes he steppped into office and denied or canceliled the order that Bush put in place to have the pention funds audited. and then him and the rest of the demicrats decided they needed to pass a bill to get card check. How can you say who is forcing the union. I am living in a state where unionism is forced. There are only 26 states that arn't. our contract says you have to be a union membe in good standing and pay union dues to work here..... so how can you say it is not forced? why is membership not volintary? if it is such a good thing why would you have to be force to join?
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First off...The Union was never intended to produce a fair days work.....Unions were formed to address the outrages abuses of workers by Companies. One of those was to ensure that the workers received a fair days wage for a fair days work..Workplace safety ect:

Secondly: The Unions aren't in the Business of "controlling Companies".

They negotiate work rules and working conditions to the benefit of their members to the best extent possible... The Company and the Union come to an accord and sign a contract...That does NOT constitute "controlling" the Business..
Unions do not determine how much profit a Company can make...obviously, the Union would hope the Company makes as much as it can so it can negotiate more for its members....not a bad thing....

Thirdly: The Union has nothing to do with the Government regulating or taxing business, other then supporting politicians that they believe to be helpful to their cause, the same as any other industry or business does...nothing unusual or illegal there......

# 4 : Companies are leaving "in groves" (perhaps you mean droves) not because they can't make a fair profit here....it's because they can make obscene profits by exploiting the people and environments of third world countries Remember it is the Corporate controlled Government that allowed this practice...not the Unions..With the decline in Union membership and thus, power...notice that these Companies are not sharing this wealth with the workers.....one more reason for stronger Unions......Card check would be a good step in that direction.....

#5 If your living in a state with "forced Unionism" then wouldn't that mean that everyone in the state must be a Union member? There are Right to work states that give a person the right to not join a Union even if their employer is a Unionized business.

#6 Your contract may require you to be a member and pay dues....but that is not "forcing" you to apply for the job in the 1st place..There are many other employers to apply to that are not Union.....No one came to you and "forced" you Work in the Union Environment.... That is how I can say that membership is voluntary. You Chose to work at a Union Company because no doubt, you recognize, that you had a higher wage and better benefits and work rules....not to mention recourse in case of being treated unfairly ...Health care...just to name a few.....I believe your confusing Closed shop rules with being "forced"

#7 So if your unhappy with what is going on....realize that the Union (teamsters in this case) is working to save this company and as many jobs as possible in these unprecedented times.... Is the Union perfect?? not by a long shot...

#8 If you intend to stand up and "fight" for the Union... I would support you in your endeavor to route out corruption...and yes I agree that there is corruption in the Union...as in any business these days. But I would first suggest that you take some time and educate yourself so as to better articulate your views in a more persuasive manner. I would highly recommend you start with your English Language skills first.

I hope this has been of some value to you.....
 
Monkeyshines said:
Have you noticed how the first part of every request for further concessions, or excuse by the onion starts with something about this "greatest recession since the Depression" or: "tough economic times" or something to that effect. It's supposed to instill fear in everyone, but the authors of these letters and speeches never mention anything about THEIR sacrifice. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS NONE! This is all a great lie put on by high paid strategists to take everything anyone has ever worked for. We all cower down as soon as someone says recession, lost jobs, layoffs and so on. Ooooh, I'm so scared!- Lawrence H. Summers, Obama's top economic adviser, described it as Rahm's Doctrine. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, what I mean by that is that it's an opportunity to do things you could not do before." So well said, don't you think?
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It is a fact that we are in serious times.....and yes of course any discussions pertaining to concessions are going to site that fact...

I do agree that it is a sad fact that those in positions of power have wealth and really do not have to sacrifice anything...
and yes....Corporate America will use these times to take away as much as possible because in "good times" its much harder to do...

You mention Rahms Doctrine... That was meant to use the financial/economic crisis to provide an opportunity to breakthrough those interests(special corporate interests) in order to introduce meaningful and substantial change. I would be more worried about What the New House Speaker is talking about...things like Social Security.....raising the age....as a 1st step in repealing it altogether...just to mention one thing....But that is a prime example of finding opportunity to do things you could not do before......due to the Crisis.....

This is just another example of Corporate capitalism gone amok......The wage earners will always pay for the indulgences of the wealthy and the powerful.
 
you wont have to worry about ss . you will be still working at yrc [if its still here] way after you could of gotten it. with still no pension in sight.
 
littlesister10 said:
what is wrong with you you don't want to address the proublems with this union. I am not anti union or anti government but there are definit proublems with both. you are so self senterted you refuce to see the proublems with anything until it affects you. but usually b y that point it is to late. well if you think the union is looking out for you right now you are in for a bummpy ride. you can not argue the points so you just get stupid and ignore it and hope it goes away. as long as you are still ok I guess life is good.and I anin't going no where buddy. I am going to Fight to change it. and if it doesn't change I hope it goes away, for all our sakes. WAKE UP AND CARE ABOUT THE BIG PICTUE INSTEAD OF YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE
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I am sorry to see you so unhappy working a union job, you really need to find some happiness, maybe a change from union to non union would help???
 
jv if your so damn happy about all this then you better get your meds refilled b4 you vote to pay your own insurance
 
littlesister10 said:
well I do not believe that it is misdirected. The union was intended to produce a fair days work for a fair days wage. That unfortunatly has been distorted along the way. The unions, instead of protecting the union members have decided to make a buisness out of controlling buisnesses. If you had a buisness would you like the union coming in and telling you how to run your buisness, determining how much profit you were allowed to make and then having the government coming in and filling you up with regulation and taxes? It is no wonder companies are leaving this country in groves. It is not profitable to do buisness here any more. and oboma? yes he steppped into office and denied or canceliled the order that Bush put in place to have the pention funds audited. and then him and the rest of the demicrats decided they needed to pass a bill to get card check. How can you say who is forcing the union. I am living in a state where unionism is forced. There are only 26 states that arn't. our contract says you have to be a union membe in good standing and pay union dues to work here..... so how can you say it is not forced? why is membership not volintary? if it is such a good thing why would you have to be force to join?
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pilot87 said:
First off...The Union was never intended to produce a fair days work.....Unions were formed to address the outrages abuses of workers by Companies. One of those was to ensure that the workers received a fair days wage for a fair days work..Workplace safety ect:

Secondly: The Unions aren't in the Business of "controlling Companies".

They negotiate work rules and working conditions to the benefit of their members to the best extent possible... The Company and the Union come to an accord and sign a contract...That does NOT constitute "controlling" the Business..
Unions do not determine how much profit a Company can make...obviously, the Union would hope the Company makes as much as it can so it can negotiate more for its members....not a bad thing....

Thirdly: The Union has nothing to do with the Government regulating or taxing business, other then supporting politicians that they believe to be helpful to their cause, the same as any other industry or business does...nothing unusual or illegal there......

# 4 : Companies are leaving "in groves" (perhaps you mean droves) not because they can't make a fair profit here....it's because they can make obscene profits by exploiting the people and environments of third world countries Remember it is the Corporate controlled Government that allowed this practice...not the Unions..With the decline in Union membership and thus, power...notice that these Companies are not sharing this wealth with the workers.....one more reason for stronger Unions......Card check would be a good step in that direction.....

#5 If your living in a state with "forced Unionism" then wouldn't that mean that everyone in the state must be a Union member? There are Right to work states that give a person the right to not join a Union even if their employer is a Unionized business.

#6 Your contract may require you to be a member and pay dues....but that is not "forcing" you to apply for the job in the 1st place..There are many other employers to apply to that are not Union.....No one came to you and "forced" you Work in the Union Environment.... That is how I can say that membership is voluntary. You Chose to work at a Union Company because no doubt, you recognize, that you had a higher wage and better benefits and work rules....not to mention recourse in case of being treated unfairly ...Health care...just to name a few.....I believe your confusing Closed shop rules with being "forced"

#7 So if your unhappy with what is going on....realize that the Union (teamsters in this case) is working to save this company and as many jobs as possible in these unprecedented times.... Is the Union perfect?? not by a long shot...

#8 If you intend to stand up and "fight" for the Union... I would support you in your endeavor to route out corruption...and yes I agree that there is corruption in the Union...as in any business these days. But I would first suggest that you take some time and educate yourself so as to better articulate your views in a more persuasive manner. I would highly recommend you start with your English Language skills first.

I hope this has been of some value to you.....
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Relax littlesister, all pilot87 is trying to say is, this may be the new union card check. Remember, it's in the Healthcare Bill.

http://community.theftdefender.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=17&Itemid=6

I actually agree with pilot87 for once, we do need a stronger union.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/infowars-shop_2130_8071329

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pilot87 said:
# 4 : Companies are leaving "in groves" (perhaps you mean droves) not because they can't make a fair profit here....it's because they can make obscene profits by exploiting the people and environments of third world countries Remember it is the Corporate controlled Government that allowed this practice...not the Unions..With the decline in Union membership and thus, power...notice that these Companies are not sharing this wealth with the workers.....one more reason for stronger Unions......Card check would be a good step in that direction....
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Thats why the unions are failing. Ignorance from the the unions and its members NOT knowing how an economy really works. OBSCENE PROFITS? Give me a break. Exploiting third world nations? Come on! The unions using class warfare is whats killing us.
Companies don't take off to other nations because of cheap wages. Not to say that isn't a factor. But its not the sole factor, or even the biggest factor. A big reason is that these companies to servicing those foreign markets. Believe it or not, America isn't the only consumer in this world. Another reason is high taxes and stupid over the top regulations we place on business.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS. By the way, whats obscene profits? How much profit is too much?
 
Stoney said:
Worship? Well I worship Capitalism and freedom. Maybe if the unions did, they wouldn't be dying. Outside of YRC, unions are their own worst enemy.
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If you think you would be better off without a union then you are one lost soul
 
Jay C said:
If you think you would be better off without a union then you are one lost soul
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Well for one, I didn't say that. Second, if the unions keep on their current track, then yes I am better off without the union. There, now I said it.
 
Stoney said:
Well for one, I didn't say that. Second, if the unions keep on their current track, then yes I am better off without the union. There, now I said it.
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I'm an economics champion..in good times unions make huge gains. In bad times they give it back. The goal is to keep rolling..better days may come is when you push back
 
longblade said:
jv if your so damn happy about all this then you better get your meds refilled b4 you vote to pay your own insurance
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I am thankful for what I still have, I have been looking for a job that will pay me what I am making at 85% here with my medical and not finding anything close. There is a lot of "fill out an application and we may call you when he start hiring again", there are jobs I can start today @.40 a mile and stay on the road for 3 weeks, live in truck stop parking lots, averaging 1800 miles a week and I pay my own medical, but nothing close to what I still have at YRC. Yes I am happy for what I sill have because I believed the IBT and my local union when they told us the company will close if we don't vote yes. Now they advised us, and the majority voted and we are still working. Now we can blame everyone for not doing something rite in the past but reality is this is were we are. I am not happy that we had to give anything back, I am not happy that so many are laid off, I am not happy so many can't find a job that will come close to what we still have. YRC caused this not the union, not the workers. If you are out of a job you know what I am talking about, if your still working at YRC be happy because obviously you didn't find anything better yet.
 
Jay C said:
I'm an economics champion..in good times unions make huge gains. In bad times they give it back. The goal is to keep rolling..better days may come is when you push back
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Huge gains?? Like we will ever get any of the concessions back.Economics champion?Then tell us all when all this will end,Joe!
 
Jay C said:
I'm an economics champion..in good times unions make huge gains. In bad times they give it back. The goal is to keep rolling..better days may come is when you push back
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Economics champion??? Not sure what you meant by that? But even before this economic downturn, unions have been in decline.
 
JV4344 said:
I pay my own medical
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Got news for ya, even us Teamsters are going to start paying towards our health care premiums. With the passage of Obamacare, backed by the Teamsters and most other unions, its raising the cost of all premiums as we speak. So when the next contract comes around, and YRC and ABF ask for us to pay towards the premiums, don't blame YRC or ABF, blame our wonderful, mindless, backstabbing union leaders.

And if there is a strike over that, don't expect me to picket. I WILL cross that picket line. After all this would be the unions fault in the place. Not the companies.
 
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