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once again, you cannot drive after 14 hours on duty. Start at 8:00 and you cannot drive after 10:00. Work 16 once a week, yes. But you cannot drive in the window between the 14th hour and your 16 hours on-duty. Also, you "must be released from duty" within the 16th hour when using your 16 hour exception.

"Maximum driving time for property-carrying drivers:
The 14-hour rule states a driver shall not drive after the end of the 14th hour after coming on duty following 10 hours off duty.
Clock starts when a driver goes on duty.
All time counts – even lines 1 and 2 – toward the 14 consecutive hours."

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Sorry but you are wrong. You can drive past your 14 hour with your 2 hour extension. You can work indefinitely past your 16th hour as long as you don't drive. After your 16th hour you can work 8,10, 20 hours if you like, you just can't drive until you have had 10 hours off and you can't drive past 14 once you do the 16 hour day until you have a 34 hour reset. There is NO rule of how many hours you can work in a row, you just can't drive more than 11 hours 16 hour rule or not.

If you can't drive past 14 then what good is the 16 hour rule? What is it's purpose? We have been running the 70 book out west for quite some time now and believe me, we know how it works and what you can do and can't do.
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Indeed.. I thought you were telling me I was wrong for a minute.. I posted a link with my reply that explains the rule well..

Turns out we're saying the same thing..

I would think someone pulling 3 would know the rules and not spread false information...
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false information? I don't think so... seems to be a lot of comparison between apples and oranges here. The rule says you may not drive after your 14th hour. Yes there is an exception for some drivers (those within our company, returning to the same domicile daily) to use the 16 hour exception. But FMCSA rules do state you may not drive after your 14th hour. Could I have worded it differently, well, ya. Not driving between your 14th and 16th hour unless you use your 16 hour exception. How 'bout that?

and who said anything about pulling 3? maybe I just like the picture, still live in my mom's basement, and work midnights at 7-11
 
Yes, once a week you can drive up to your 16th hour as long as you don't go over your 11 hours of driving time. With in this rule you need to jump around 4 different places in the chapter but it is in the book.
 
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once again, you cannot drive after 14 hours on duty. Start at 8:00 and you cannot drive after 10:00. Work 16 once a week, yes. But you cannot drive in the window between the 14th hour and your 16 hours on-duty. Also, you "must be released from duty" within the 16th hour when using your 16 hour exception.

"Maximum driving time for property-carrying drivers:
The 14-hour rule states a driver shall not drive after the end of the 14th hour after coming on duty following 10 hours off duty.
Clock starts when a driver goes on duty.
All time counts – even lines 1 and 2 – toward the 14 consecutive hours."

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Sorry but you are wrong. You can drive past your 14 hour with your 2 hour extension. You can work indefinitely past your 16th hour as long as you don't drive. After your 16th hour you can work 8,10, 20 hours if you like, you just can't drive until you have had 10 hours off and you can't drive past 14 once you do the 16 hour day until you have a 34 hour reset. There is NO rule of how many hours you can work in a row, you just can't drive more than 11 hours 16 hour rule or not.

If you can't drive past 14 then what good is the 16 hour rule? What is it's purpose? We have been running the 70 book out west for quite some time now and believe me, we know how it works and what you can do and can't do.
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Indeed.. I thought you were telling me I was wrong for a minute.. I posted a link with my reply that explains the rule well..

Turns out we're saying the same thing..

I would think someone pulling 3 would know the rules and not spread false information...





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Yes, once a week you can drive up to your 16th hour as long as you don't go over your 11 hours of driving time. With in this rule you need to jump around 4 different places in the chapter but it is in the book.
[/quote]E. 16-HOUR EXCEPTION
E-1. What is a "duty tour" as the term is used in Part § 395.1(o)?

The 16-hour exemption in § 395.1(o) is designed for one-day "duty tours." The duty tour is the interval between the time a driver comes on-duty and is released from duty on a daily basis. This period begins and ends at the driver's normal work reporting location and may only be used following 10 or more consecutive hours off-duty, 10 or more consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, or a combination of 10 or more consecutive hours off-duty and sleeper berth time.
E-2. If a driver is "on duty, not driving" during the 15th and 16th hour of his duty tour and does not drive after that, has he used the 16-hour exception in § 395.1(o)?

No. Example: If a driver was on duty 16 hours on Wednesday, but didn't drive after being on duty 14 hours, could the driver use the 16 hour extension on Friday and be allowed to drive after the 14th hour as long as all other conditions and regulations

(11-, 16-, and 60/70- hour rules) were met?

In this scenario, the driver may choose to use the 16-hour extension on Friday as long as the driver meets all of the requirements for the 16-hour exception outlined in Part § 395.1(o) and also remains in compliance with Part § 395.3(a)(1) and Part § 395.3(b). Although the 16 hours on-duty on Wednesday will count toward the driver's 60/70 calculations, the driver has not utilized the 16-hour exception unless the driver has actually driven after the 14 th hour.
E-3. May a driver having more than one work reporting location use the § 395.1(o), 16-hour exception?

As stated in § 395.1(o) and current § 395.1 Interpretation Question 15, a driver having more than one work reporting location could use the § 395.1(o) 16-hour exception; however, its availability would be limited by the requirement of

§ 395.1(o)(1) that the "carrier released the driver from duty at that location for the previous five duty tours the driver has worked..." A driver alternating between two normal work locations on a weekly basis would not be able to utilize the exception unless he worked six days per week, and then the exception could only be used on the sixth day.
E-4. May a driver utilize the adverse driving rule, which extends the driving time by two additional hours, in conjunction with the 16-hour exception?

No. A driver may not use the exception for adverse driving conditions while also using the 16-hour exception for property-carrying drivers. Section 395.1(b)(1)(ii) of the adverse driving conditions exception specifically states that a property-carrying driver may not drive or be permitted to drive after he/she has been on-duty after the end of the 14 th hour after coming on-duty following 10 consecutive hours off-duty.
E-5. When the "16 hour exception" is used, may sleeper berth periods or extended off-duty periods be included in the "duty tour?" How does this affect team drivers?

The § 395.1(o) exception for property-carrying drivers is for drivers who return to the normal work reporting location and are released from duty at the end of each of the previous 5 duty tours. The use of 10 consecutive hours off duty or the equivalent (sleeper berth, off duty, or any allowable combination thereof) before returning to the work reporting location would interrupt the duty tour, and the driver would not be eligible to use the 16-hour exception that day or again until after 5 or more duty tours when the driver did return to the work reporting location.
 
Merdock:
Your comment about working at 7-11 sounded as if it was after your tour of duty at Conway. If that is correct you must log your 7-11 time as on duty not driving as you are on their clock.
I am just pointing this out because one of my over extended friends did just that and got put out of service. The company did their best to can the guy for not showing it on his hours of service.
 
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I for one think that it would be crazy. what they have now is too much considering the pace and stress that is implemented daily, why add insult to injury. As far as i am concerned they are pushing over the limit now.Of course you are going to have the ones that would work 100 hrs a week if they could.
In all actuality they could cut alot of hours and pay more to their core people and still be a major player in the industry. Its all about greed and it is not geared to the people that make this work day in and day out. If they would get rid of the :buttkisser: and listen to what their dedicated hard working people have to contribute it would benefit everyone in the long run. (Thats my opinion)
[/quote]it is all good. the pressure of keeping hours to run on friday is off. no sence of urgency anymore. get home anytime now. do not have to watch the punches... it is a pressure releif.. still working under 60 but no more pressure.all good!!!!
[/quote] still can not drive after 14 hours!!!
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You absolutely drive past your 14 hours. You have once in a 34 hour reset to extend your tour of duty by 2 hours. You can drive up to your 16th hour. What can't you understand about this??????
 
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[quote author=Merdock link=topic=78816.msg828440#msg828440 date=1273440279]
once again, you cannot drive after 14 hours on duty. Start at 8:00 and you cannot drive after 10:00. Work 16 once a week, yes. But you cannot drive in the window between the 14th hour and your 16 hours on-duty. Also, you "must be released from duty" within the 16th hour when using your 16 hour exception.

"Maximum driving time for property-carrying drivers:
The 14-hour rule states a driver shall not drive after the end of the 14th hour after coming on duty following 10 hours off duty.
Clock starts when a driver goes on duty.
All time counts – even lines 1 and 2 – toward the 14 consecutive hours."
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Merdock, not trying to start an argument here but this is incorrect. You can indeed drive beyond the 14'th hour up to the 16'th hour once per cycle so long as you do not exceed 11 total hours of driving or use the adverse driving rule. In fact, you can work 15 hours per day Monday and Tuesday while still having your 16 hour day intact so long as all time after the 14'th hour was on line 4 and not line 3.


Here's a good link with FAQ'S about the 16 hour rule..


http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/hos-faqs.asp#_Toc111021250
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Yes, that is correct. Thats how we do it in IL and WI. We run 4 14 hr days and one 16 hr day. Well, those of us that are money hungry!! LOL. I usually dont run that hard but I know ppl who do. But I do usually run 16 hrs once a week. That is stated in the FMCSA HOS Regulations under the heading of short haul carriers that return home everyday. But having 70 hrs is nice. No need to get all the breaks on the log everyday or worry about every punch.
 
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