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I am a city driver in Texas.
For some reason my terminal can't seem to figure out how many hours they can force a city driver to work.
It has been crazy being forced back out over and over every night.
It would be nice to know and:17: also tell me where to find it so I can tell my steward.
Thanks
 
wilber65 said:
I am a city driver in Texas.
For some reason my terminal can't seem to figure out how many hours they can force a city driver to work.
It has been crazy being forced back out over and over every night.
It would be nice to know and:17: also tell me where to find it so I can tell my steward.
Thanks
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In the northeast if you come back from a run and have your 10 hours in you can go home....60 hours of driving per week....
 
What Benny Hill said.....FMSCA guide.......in the northeast, our Contract supplement says if they consistently force you to work over 10 hours , you can file a grievance. Plus,....there's a formula for recall of laid-off employees if the hours worked by employees exceeds 10%. Don't know if you have these in your area. The only qualm is the difference of what the company defines as "consistent",....... and what you feel is "consistent", and grievable. If several guys complain to the B.A. and threaten grievances, you may get some action.......
 
And....if they're beating you to pieces,....and it's impacting on your health,...you may have to "disqualify" yourself from driving further. Perfectly and completely legal. You just say "I don't think I can safely operate a truck, as I am too tired/sick/wore out." At that point, they cannot force you out. After a week or so of you, and possibly some other drivers imposing this sanction on them, they might get the picture and hire. Remember......don't be a Hero out on the street. What you do for the company when you're 30 years old, they still expect when you're 50.....and right up to the day you retire. Set your parameters for long-term..........
 
canaryinthemine said:
And....if they're beating you to pieces,....and it's impacting on your health,...you may have to "disqualify" yourself from driving further. Perfectly and completely legal. You just say "I don't think I can safely operate a truck, as I am too tired/sick/wore out." At that point, they cannot force you out. After a week or so of you, and possibly some other drivers imposing this sanction on them, they might get the picture and hire. Remember......don't be a Hero out on the street. What you do for the company when you're 30 years old, they still expect when you're 50.....and right up to the day you retire. Set your parameters for long-term..........
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Good Advice.
 
How can I find out if we have that rule here.
That is what I thought also was the 10 hour thing of not being forced back out.
 
Article 61, section 2... http://www.teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/CentralRegionLocalCartageSupplementalAgreement.pdf

All hours worked in excess of eight (8) hours in any one (1) day or
forty (40) hours in any one (1) week shall be paid at the rate of time
and one-half (1 1/2) the regular hourly rate, but not both. Overtime
shall not be pyramided. No dock, yard or other city employee shall
be required to work more than ten (10) hours in any one (1) shift.
This applies to city drivers only when they return to their terminal
after completing their assigned work in the city. It is mutually
understood, however, that with respect to a cleanup shift, the last
two scheduled start times of the day, the necessary number of
employees on these shifts in reverse seniority order would be
required to stay and protect the additional work requirement. All
employees, (bid, percenter, supplemental or replacement) working
on a clean up shift shall be included as part of that shift. Seniority
shall prevail for overtime purposes
 
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"I am a city driver in Texas.
For some reason my terminal can't seem to figure out how many hours they can force a city driver to work.
It has been crazy being forced back out over and over every night.
It would be nice to know and also tell me where to find it so I can tell my steward.
Thanks"



Good Lord, get another Steward.
 
At upgf i am the last city driver to get a bid time, and im the one on "clean up duty" i work around 55hrs mon-fri and the last two saturdays i got forced to work. I even talked to the b.a and he said" well thats what the bottom guy has to deal with". If it goes on much longer, i will just have to say i am fatigued and i dont think it will be safe. The moneys great, but if my foot doesnt come down soon, i will get ran over by management forever. Which wont happen
 
wilber65 said:
How can I find out if we have that rule here.
That is what I thought also was the 10 hour thing of not being forced back out.
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Read & understand 392.3 in the FMCS Regulations. Then after reading 392.3 & you still don't understand how you can successfully use this rule, (like I did) go to truckersjusticecenter.com & read the case histories of drivers who were successful. This is a last resort option, but one you can use. The United States Department of Labor/Offices of Administrative Law Judges have ruled on this specific Rule (392.3) many times, almost always in favor of the driver. But a word of advice. If you invoke this rule, be like the Boy Scouts. 'Be Prepared’. Good luck.
 
I have a copy of the Southern Region Contract Book and I am unable to find the article even on hours of service.
Does any one know where it is in the Southern Region Contract.
Thanks
 
If you are on the clock (punch to punch) 12 or more hrs. You must log that day. 14 hrs max per day, 11 hrs max logged on the on duty driving line. One 16 hr day per week allowed with certain circumstances, breakdowns, bad weather, stuck in traffic due to accident conjestion, etc., but still only 11 driving that day. You cannot be forced back out after 60 hrs total on duty, but can be compelled to work yard and dock. If you are being compelled beyond these parameters just call safety with your logs and they will instruct dispatch to back off, otherwise, welcome to the trucking industry.
 
Dieselgeek said:
Article 61, section 2... http://www.teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/CentralRegionLocalCartageSupplementalAgreement.pdf

All hours worked in excess of eight (8) hours in any one (1) day or
forty (40) hours in any one (1) week shall be paid at the rate of time
and one-half (1 1/2) the regular hourly rate, but not both. Overtime
shall not be pyramided. No dock, yard or other city employee shall
be required to work more than ten (10) hours in any one (1) shift.
This applies to city drivers only when they return to their terminal
after completing their assigned work in the city. It is mutually
understood, however, that with respect to a cleanup shift, the last
two scheduled start times of the day, the necessary number of
employees on these shifts in reverse seniority order would be
required to stay and protect the additional work requirement. All
employees, (bid, percenter, supplemental or replacement) working
on a clean up shift shall be included as part of that shift. Seniority
shall prevail for overtime purposes
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It is my opinion that this language is meant to limit a persons workday to no more than 10 hours.
However a few years back at Holland the local wouldn't back a grievance on drivers being forced at just under 10 hours on duty time on 4 hour runs.
The only relief we got was an agreement that if the driver got stuck out past 14 hours the driver could as HIS choice come in after 10 hours off or take the next day off with no pay but also the absence wouldn't count as unexcused.
 
Do not run over after you use your 16 hr day in a week, you will be in violation and could face serious criminal prosecution. If they force you out and you know you cannot get back, go ahead, but shut down where you run out and make them come get you, and you stay on the clock. They will have a fit, but if they give you much grief, just call safety, and tell him your next call will be to your attorney if they don't back off. Keep your logs and a copy of your time card each week to make your case. Any thing you sign you get copies of without exception. Hope this helps
 
Boilerpeddle said:
It is my opinion that this language is meant to limit a persons workday to no more than 10 hours.
However a few years back at Holland the local wouldn't back a grievance on drivers being forced at just under 10 hours on duty time on 4 hour runs.
The only relief we got was an agreement that if the driver got stuck out past 14 hours the driver could as HIS choice come in after 10 hours off or take the next day off with no pay but also the absence wouldn't count as unexcused.
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That sounds like a weak B/A to me. If he went to a hearing with a fist full of over 10 hour days he should have had some leverage. It's still tough to enforce but you can aggravate them and maybe get some people hired. The killer is that when the OT backs off those same guys start crying poormouth.
 
wilber 65: I hope this helps you with what you need it is on page 206 of the Southern Region, ARTICLE 55. Section 1.Wages and Hours. In this section everything is broken down for you, I work in the southern region also as a city driver.
 
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