Yellow | Some Interesting Facts That Happened At 318 Bolingbrook

Passing this On From The Author..........KK

Just some interesting facts that happened at the 318 Bolingbrook meeting with our District Vice President this morning. After being told that anything but a yes vote results in immediate bankruptcy, I asked one simple question. "What was YRC's debt at the start of the original MOU compared to their current debt today?" This question was followed by the usual hemming and hawing to avoid actually answering the question directly. They even tried to move to another question before I pressed my question again. They all claimed they didn't know actual numbers but isn't it their jobs to KNOW these numbers? So after some time the guy actually stated "YRC's debt is virtually the same today as it was at the original MOU over 4 years ago."

To which I asked, "How do we trust a company that has received over 3 BILLION dollars from employee concession (mostly teamster) yet has not addressed YRC debt which is the reason for the concession in the first place and where did over 3 BILLION dollars go?" The answer: "Operational costs." !?! REALLY !?! And that is when it hit me like a ton of bricks.

If anyone else has noticed when they discuss the "LOOMING PAYMENTS" that have to be made in February and then again this summer, they are always careful to say "INTEREST" payments. They have never, nor will they ever attack the principle of the loans. Over 4 years have past, thousands of jobs lost, and an intent has been manifested to never address the root of the MOU in the first place. On top of all that, YRC management has proven to be the best in one field. MISMANAGEMENT!!! Didn't the current management team blame the previous team for the reason we are in trouble today? Yet the current management team has had over two years to set some sort of correction and have completely FAILED to do so.

If what we are being told is the truth regarding the negative vote resulting in bankruptcy, then I say it is time. If you had a basket of apples and notice one is rotting, you take the bad apple and toss it before it has a chance to spoil all the apples in the bunch.

YES the idea of starting over really sucks. YES our future is uncertain to say the least. But I believe we are in a Titanic type situation. We have hit the iceberg and we are going to sink regardless of any actions at this point. One cannot pay interest only on loans forever. Yet this is the mentality of the Captain of the YRC ship.

I will hold my head high and stand fast on my belief that YRC management, past and present, are the sole cause of our company's demise. I will VOTE NO and retain my pride as I set out looking for a better place of employment for me and my family. Remember one thing. Just because YRC files bankruptcy does not mean they have to close the doors. That is the choice they are making. And even if they do close the doors, the freight within their system does not just dry up and disintegrate. It is released into other systems thereby creating jobs that are not currently available without absorbing YRC's freight. So have faith brothers and sisters and retain your dignity as we go through this very difficult time. VOTE NO!!!
Another one who thinks they just pissed away money that does not exist.
 
We have some real weak teamsters here.If we had the same folks back when the Teamsters started.As we do here.This organization wouldve never got off the ground

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You referring to the same folks before deregulation?

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A forklift operator with no other special skills wont.Why are some people so hell bent on the company closing now?Everyone knew about the huge debt for years now, so why didnt some of you start looking for another job?Why not just ride it out and see what happens?In the mean time start looking for another job if you think your getting screwed that bad and cant take it anymore? It is what it is and i dont see how YRC closing will be better for anyone except for the guys that work at companies that will gain from this like ABF
Are you a dock worker? I work for ABF I don't want to see YRC close, but when do you say enough is enough. The company had all these years & all your money to turn it around & they failed miserably, what makes you think it will so different this time?
 
His answer to your question is unequivocal and factual.

I will add a thought or two. There are several indignant no voters who enjoy drawing an analogy of a battle field (fox holes). But in the military you do NOT DISOBEY. At best it is insubordination, at worst it is mutiny. You DO NOT have the luxury of picking and choosing which orders to obey. Your leadership is telling you to approve this proposal. So either follow advice or quit comparing this to military action.
And along similar lines. You complain that the Teamsters aren't organizing. All your carping about how our leadership is weak AND dishonest really helps, NOT!
Regardless of the outcome I will retain my dignity. I hope that everyone else does too. But keep in mind that dignity comes from within, NOT from union affiliation.
Whats factual about post # 2 he cant vote hes retired & has been for years. Look at his join date 2009 & he only has 50+ posts, the reason that is because he got banned several times & went under various user name such as jay c & joe the plumber. And if you look up his ip address im sure it will say Connecticut....He cant hold back around concession voting time....
 
A forklift operator with no other special skills wont.Why are some people so hell bent on the company closing now?Everyone knew about the huge debt for years now, so why didn't some of you start looking for another job?Why not just ride it out and see what happens?In the mean time start looking for another job if you think your getting screwed that bad and cant take it anymore? It is what it is and i dont see how YRC closing will be better for anyone except for the guys that work at companies that will gain from this like ABF

I don't think that they are so hell bent on closing....I believe they are tired of managers using that threat in every shift meeting they are having and in their minds knowing it was a lie.

The same lies were on a YRCW Teamsters update dated 10/5/2010 that stated "THERE WAS NO PLAN B" and IF THIS DOES NOT GO THROUGH, IT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY CAUSE THE COMPANY TO CEASE OPERATIONS"...that was 10/5/2010 folks! Employees are having all that pounded in their heads by management and are sick and tired of hearing it.

They threaten to do it if we voted NO on 1/9/14 and the majority voted NO and they did not follow through....THEY BLINKED and brought in the IBT to hash out this POS from the POS they tried to sell us, even though our own Union told us they did not negotiate it and that we were to "Determine Our Own Destiny!"

Well we did, and both sides did not like the outcome....so what ever happens with this vote come Sunday night will finally (?) settle this mess, and i will still be here tt remind you of "what if?'.....KK

 
A forklift operator with no other special skills wont.Why are some people so hell bent on the company closing now?Everyone knew about the huge debt for years now, so why didnt some of you start looking for another job?Why not just ride it out and see what happens?In the mean time start looking for another job if you think your getting screwed that bad and cant take it anymore? It is what it is and i dont see how YRC closing will be better for anyone except for the guys that work at companies that will gain from this like ABF

Well most locations have/had driver training programs due mostly to lack of applicants from the street. I would strongly encourage everyone to get a cdl asap. Its gonna cost 3 or 4 Gs if you buy it on your own...
 
pride don't feed the bulldog, or pay the bills.
anywhere else i go and do the same work, top rate is 16-18 bucks, starting well below that on the bottom, zero vac, bennies, etc.
what companies are you referring ? almost all of the non union LTL companies has a top rate of well over 16-18 bucks a hour.
 
We have some real weak teamsters here.If we had the same folks back when the Teamsters started.As we do here.This organization wouldve never got off the ground

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OH YES we did, there were many that crossed the picket line, or climed the fence out back to work the dock. Always have had and always will have those who are company men to the core. Back then in the mid 60's we had a way to deal with them. Not always legal and no way to get away with what we did then,now But it worked and I was in on some of them. Fly with the group or leave.
You see there is a difference here. There is no picket line and the laws are tougher on unions now and you will not get away with it. ( the past way of doing things ) Here today you have to decide which way to vote and if you want to stay after the outcome. ( at least I hope you get a choise ) Will they close? will the stay open? How will you vote? it is all up to you. I hope you all get what you want, a company going down or staying open, only about half will be happy. GOD BLESS!!! I think that evan the no voters, are hopeing that the company will stay open.

After watching all of this for years, I do not think you can have a united work force ever again. If I was voting and I have no vote, I would vote YES, but it would really hurt like putting salt on a wound. Good luck my brother and sisters. forever an ageing teamster
 
Hopefully land in a better place. Non union companies do not any teamster working at their non union facility. Especially a teamster that has been on work comp, over the age of 50.... do I need to go on. Throw away a Teamster job to go work for a non union comapny, that is what a true Teamster would do.By your own admission you are saying vote no a go to work for a non union company if you can land one. Hope you never had a work comp case, over the age of 50,over weight, 26,000 applying for a few hundred jobs. Those pups running up and down the road are not stuffed full. Companies can absorb a lot of capacity before they even hire anyone. Vote yes to stay a TEAMSTER.
 
Hopefully land in a better place. Non union companies do not any teamster working at their non union facility. Especially a teamster that has been on work comp, over the age of 50.... do I need to go on. Throw away a Teamster job to go work for a non union comapny, that is what a true Teamster would do.By your own admission you are saying vote no a go to work for a non union company if you can land one. Hope you never had a work comp case, over the age of 50,over weight, 26,000 applying for a few hundred jobs. Those pups running up and down the road are not stuffed full. Companies can absorb a lot of capacity before they even hire anyone. Vote yes to stay a TEAMSTER.


Those trucks are running down the road not full because they don't know HOW the fill them up. I've seen how other companies operate.....Fedex specifically. They strap their freight to the walls because they don't know how to stack. Say what you want about the different companies, but back in the day, Roadway had some guys that could fill a trailer and it would be tight. I read where someone asked where someone could get paid $50,000 a year for driving a forklift? Trust me; a skilled "stacker" is worth that amount and more! The unionized LTL companies have always been at a disadvantage to the companies offering 2 day service because our networks were never set up to operate that way.
 
Well most locations have/had driver training programs due mostly to lack of applicants from the street. I would strongly encourage everyone to get a cdl asap. Its gonna cost 3 or 4 Gs if you buy it on your own...
Thats what I was going to say but I was waiting for his response....
 
Whats factual about post # 2 he cant vote hes retired & has been for years. Look at his join date 2009 & he only has 50+ posts, the reason that is because he got banned several times & went under various user name such as jay c & joe the plumber. And if you look up his ip address im sure it will say Connecticut....He cant hold back around concession voting time....
I find it funny as hell that 6 months later people see Joe in every new Member. He sure knew how to push buttons. Just an observation, your ABF Mod edited a post that mentioned someone that was not here, forget the actual wording but something implying respect for those not around to reply. Then within the last few days I see the derogatory names (Plunger) from him and your seeing Connecticut IPs. I miss Joe. :hysterical:
 
I find it funny as hell that 6 months later people see Joe in every new Member. He sure knew how to push buttons. Just an observation, your ABF Mod edited a post that mentioned someone that was not here, forget the actual wording but something implying respect for those not around to reply. Then within the last few days I see the derogatory names (Plunger) from him and your seeing Connecticut IPs. I miss Joe. :hysterical:

Thinking, observing, etc? What are you trying to do start trouble? :LMAO: :biglaugh: :hide:
 
I find it funny as hell that 6 months later people see Joe in every new Member. He sure knew how to push buttons. Just an observation, your ABF Mod edited a post that mentioned someone that was not here, forget the actual wording but something implying respect for those not around to reply. Then within the last few days I see the derogatory names (Plunger) from him and your seeing Connecticut IPs. I miss Joe. :hysterical:
Why I say this Is all the people he had problems with on the ABF board are mentioned in post # 149 the thread is plan b how are you going to vote....
 
Why I say this Is all the people he had problems with on the ABF board are mentioned in post # 149 the thread is plan b how are you going to vote....
Ok....All those names come from another Forum too.....Maybe those gentlemen just invoke a dislike. If its is Joe.....Welcome Back.
 
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