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One terminal is saying driver gets points so he'd better break seal and check load prior to departure.
Another terminal instructing driver NOT to break seal and inspect.

What are you hearing?

This from §392.9 'Inspection of cargo, cargo securement devices and systems.'
(4) The rules in this paragraph (b) do not apply to the driver of a sealed commercial motor vehicle who has been ordered not to open it to inspect its cargo or to the driver of a commercial motor vehicle that has been loaded in a manner that makes inspection of its cargo impracticable.
 
Documentation is everything. If you want to inspect, then go tell superivsor and if he refuses to let you, make him write on the manifest he instructed you not to break seal.
 
Screw what any stupid dummy supervisor tells you. It's your license, and if you get CSA points, they are yours for 3 years. So if you decide to quit, it might be a little harder to find another job. And Hazmat violation fines are not cheap. I would call Safety if that is the case.
 
But what are they saying at your location? Open and inspect or no?
And is it true that we get CSA points for unsecured HM on a sealed trailer?
 
Been there, done that. You will take the hit if you have a spill. You have every right to ensure it's secured properly. If an fos tells you to not break the seal, get him to put it in writing and sign his name. Guarantee you will be allowed to inspect it.

Ask yourself.... We have all seen the slugs and gangbangers the company had been hiring for the dock. Zero freight experience. Are you comfortable hauling hazmat they loaded and secured? Would you trust your job, your life, and the life of the motoring public on their loading?

I wouldn't.
 
Driver cover your a** If a supervisor or om tells you that you cannot inspect the sealed load put your regional safety supervisor on speed dial if he is unavailable. you can contact corporate safety or request a state patrol officer with knowledge of haz-mat mandates. because you will ultimately be held accountable if there is a spill.
 
I spend some time this morning searching this subject, but it's difficult ground to navigate.
So where does one find the info that tells a driver he/she is ultimately responsible for a sealed HM load?
 
Goslo said:
I spend some time this morning searching this subject, but it's difficult ground to navigate.
So where does one find the info that tells a driver he/she is ultimately responsible for a sealed HM load?
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To get a definitive answer go to fmcsa.gov click on contact us and they will display field offices or regions then call for the region that you are in or better yet call1-800-368-7238, hope this helps you out.let me know if this helps
 
Goslo said:
One terminal is saying driver gets points so he'd better break seal and check load prior to departure.
Another terminal instructing driver NOT to break seal and inspect.

What are you hearing?

This from §392.9 'Inspection of cargo, cargo securement devices and systems.'
(4) The rules in this paragraph (b) do not apply to the driver of a sealed commercial motor vehicle who has been ordered not to open it to inspect its cargo or to the driver of a commercial motor vehicle that has been loaded in a manner that makes inspection of its cargo impracticable.
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I don't know the answer, but if it came down to it, I don't see anyone going on record saying you were "ordered" not to open the trailer. I've heard FOS's say open it and others say don't. Sounds like we need a clear, WRITTEN company-wide policy on this. Perhaps a lean team can make up a colorful sheet with pictures and instructions on how to proceed.
 
st8champ said:
To get a definitive answer go to fmcsa.gov click on contact us and they will display field offices or regions then call for the region that you are in or better yet call1-800-368-7238, hope this helps you out.let me know if this helps
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Sounds like a plan, thx.
 
I was told when I started there that it is company policy that drivers can break seals and inspect the load. I never seen it in writing but thats what I heard. Supervisor tells you no, ok. What's he gunna do if you do? Take your birthday away? That's why that place is the hellish atmosphere it is. Everyone seems to be scared to go against what a 24 year old kid straight out of college that took a semester of a transportation class said. Alot of us has been driving longer than some fos' has been alive. That just emboldens the 24 year old to do it his way with no push back. Its your livelihood, not his. Tell him to go to hell and have a good day.
 
claim jumper said:
I was told when I started there that it is company policy that drivers can break seals and inspect the load. I never seen it in writing but thats what I heard. Supervisor tells you no, ok. What's he gunna do if you do? Take your birthday away? That's why that place is the hellish atmosphere it is. Everyone seems to be scared to go against what a 24 year old kid straight out of college that took a semester of a transportation class said. Alot of us has been driving longer than some fos' has been alive. That just emboldens the 24 year old to do it his way with no push back. Its your livelihood, not his. Tell him to go to hell and have a good day.
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Everything is fine. The ICE program ensures everything is loaded properly.
 
guitarman1 said:
Everything is fine. The ICE program ensures everything is loaded properly.
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That's right, how careless of me? I forgot there's a policy or procedure that tells the right way of handling all aspects of of the business. Theres the right-way, the wrong-way, and the Con-way.
 
guitarman1 said:
Everything is fine. The ICE program ensures everything is loaded properly.
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Didn't we eliminate the ICE program?! If the ICE program was working fine with no problems , I'm sure it's been eliminated.

Anyway we have SWI's posted at key points throughout your facility - on looseleaf paper , in three-ring binders , written in pencil , for handy dandy , quick "updates" to the procedures for EVERYTHING!
 
icuicp said:
Didn't we eliminate the ICE program?! If the ICE program was working fine with no problems , I'm sure it's been eliminated.

Anyway we have SWI's posted at key points throughout your facility - on looseleaf paper , in three-ring binders , written in pencil , for handy dandy , quick "updates" to the procedures for EVERYTHING!
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Look at the bottom of a closed out manifest...
 
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