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If you are referring to me, I have been out of the line of fire for 17 years and do not want to state how it is done now. The proper way would be to go to the union and ask them. In this day and age, things are so much different than they used to be. Even when I was working, respect was gone and things were going to pot. Not at Holland but other companies. I just feel sorry for you fellows out there working. I am totally against the hours of regulation etc. Harmony was when companies were regulated. This idea of having to make such tight schedules is crazy. Drivers are not machines and everyone is different. I wish you all the best and take care plus God Bless each and everyone of you.
 
No F-bdy Bs said:
So, you have nothing to rebuttal with, other than the negotiate definition?

Yeah, you're done here.
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Oh I didnt know you were a mod? Sorry I was just trying to help you out with an apparent difficulty in the meaning of a word.

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No F-bdy Bs said:
What makes me mad, is that im coming across as defending this place. Which couldnt be further from the truth.

I could fill a phone book with things that I dont agree with.

Stop sign ticket in your personal vehicle counting toward your FX points?
Absurd.


Also, I still contend that you guys do not utilize the HR section of this company.

"waaah, the redshirt talked mean to me! UNIONIZE! "


If anyone is actually talking to you in an abusive manner, I promise, HR will not stand for it.
I have seen entire mgmt teams wiped clean, in one swoop when I was at Express just off numerous employee complaints to HR.
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HR? Been there done that. Pretty blatant age discrimination issue. Local HR rep went to local management to get her talking points on how to sugar coat the thing.

Since then, don't have much use for HR.
 
steelhauler34 said:
Screw having the teamsters involved. I have no interst in that. The driver safety points only go back three years now...not five. In my opinion that is quite acceptable.
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ask about the RCH driver that has over 18 years here, never had a wreck until the first of the month a minor rear end collision at a redlight with no damage, he now has 24 points and disqualified from driving.
 
No F-bdy Bs said:
What makes me mad, is that im coming across as defending this place. Which couldnt be further from the truth.

I could fill a phone book with things that I dont agree with.

Stop sign ticket in your personal vehicle counting toward your FX points?
Absurd.


Also, I still contend that you guys do not utilize the HR section of this company.

"waaah, the redshirt talked mean to me! UNIONIZE! "


If anyone is actually talking to you in an abusive manner, I promise, HR will not stand for it.
I have seen entire mgmt teams wiped clean, in one swoop when I was at Express just off numerous employee complaints to HR.
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HR wont do crap to help with management that is abusive to their employees. At least not in NAS, just ask those boys over there about good old Shawn W. This piece of crap should have been gone along time ago, probably when he was down in Atlanta. His abusive behavior is way beyond what anyone should have to deal with. But then again FEDEX loves ole Bill Cherry and we know how great of a leader he is. Hey maybe its something in the water in Atlanta since they both started there.
 
Moninja said:
I haven't posted on here for a while but... SwampRatt... you make an interesting point. They are hiring like crazy and can't seem to find enough new drivers to fill the seats of the trucks they put out of service to pull the trailers we don't have. Whatever percentage of drivers would need to sign a union card will be diluted by all of the new drivers who feel just lucky to have a job. Talk to the guys at the lower end carriers and they all have a similar mindset. Lucky to have a paycheck etc. They don't understand that, at FedEx Freight, they will get fired as quickly as a 20 year driver who never reported any of their accidents, er, I mean was accident free. 20 points in 5 years is quite easily attainable. During our safety meeting I noted how many drivers had zero points. I'm no snitch but since we're all friends here and I know I can trust you: some of the drivers who were purportedly accident free might not be. Maybe that's why they're on a hiring binge.

Personally, I am ambivalent about the union. I've only seen what happened to Alvan and I note what's going on with YRC. On the other side of things are Old Dominion and Central Transport. So FedEx drivers see these things and we know we could have it much worse. I don't see how I could realistically convince someone to be part of a union nor, for that matter, how I could be convinced that it might benefit me in the long run. However they screwed things up at YRC should give everyone pause. All I see there are graybeards whose pension plans were stolen and whose wages they were forced to give back. Basically, I'm saying that there is a lack of information about how organizing could help the driver and also how organizing might hurt the driver's ability to care for his family.

We'll give you more money. We'll lower your costs. We'll guarantee you $X when you get X old. OK. It all sounds like something out of the "progressive" playbook. I was promised free health care for life after my time in the service. Frankly, my multiple experiences at the VA (which is full of unionized workers) were so bad that I choose to use my own money to see a non-union doctor to get the treatment that I need. Does it cost me more? Yes. Is my quality of life better? Absolutely. If being part of a union means that I get all of these free things in return for a lower quality of life, crappier equipment, and even worse bureaucratic mismanagement, I will do as always. I will support the unions with all of my heart. I appreciate the unions and everything that they do and have done for the driving profession. I just don't have enough information to do an effective cost-benefit analysis. If I were to offer one bit of advice, it would be as follows: If they don't want us to be union, they should weed out the overbearing and egotistical managers before promoting them into positions where they cause insurrection throughout their respective terminals.
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I used to be against union for us, back when we were the best compensated non-union carrier AND it was also a great place to work. An organization that took care of it's people 1st. We still have those business principles posted on the wall but today they mean nothing.

Most that think everything is still lovely are either road drivers with enough seniority to have a nice daytime turns, good mileage night runs that make them somewhat immune to the heavy handed tactics that city guys have seen OR the newer guys who are just happy have what seems like a good job because it's better than what they had.

My opinion started to change when raises failed to keep up with inflation even while profits soared to record levels, then the level of respect shown to all, from Center managers to supervisors (yes, they get beat down too), to city drivers and dock people began to decline. This trend continues to spiral out of control, and will continue unless something is done. Do you have any other ideas of how to stop the decline?

I'm not unreasonable... I don't mind working harder/smarter/together etc, I just don't like doing it for less and less $ EVERY year with less and less job security.
 
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At the rate FXF is going we all need to be open to decisions. In the past this would have been un heard of but this is no longer the past. All the new ideas scorecards and such is to get rid of us that are costing them $$. We have a great job it's the mgmt that is destroying us as drivers whether it's road or city. I think we should do what we have to do to maintain a job that we can count on being there.
 
YES YES YES to the UNION ! it's only a matter of time before we are all fired , it's not the old days anymore where they actually cared . we all have given blood and sweat for this company and no matter what anyone says they will inevitably get everyone of us whether or not it's with this score card or something else
 
SwampRatt said:
I used to be against union for us, back when we were the best compensated non-union carrier AND it was also a great place to work. An organization that took care of it's people 1st. We still have those business principles posted on the wall but today they mean nothing.

Most that think everything is still lovely are either road drivers with enough seniority to have a nice daytime turns, good mileage night runs that make them somewhat immune to the heavy handed tactics that city guys have seen OR the newer guys who are just happy have what seems like a good job because it's better than what they had.

My opinion started to change when raises failed to keep up with inflation even while profits soared to record levels, then the level of respect shown to all, from Center managers to supervisors (yes, they get beat down too), to city drivers and dock people began to decline. This trend continues to spiral out of control, and will continue unless something is done. Do you have any other ideas of how to stop the decline?

I'm not unreasonable... I don't mind working harder/smarter/together etc, I just don't like doing it for less and less $ EVERY year with less and less job security.
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Nailed it drivah!!!
 
freds house boy said:
HR wont do crap to help with management that is abusive to their employees. At least not in NAS, just ask those boys over there about good old Shawn W. This piece of crap should have been gone along time ago, probably when he was down in Atlanta. His abusive behavior is way beyond what anyone should have to deal with. But then again FEDEX loves ole Bill Cherry and we know how great of a leader he is. Hey maybe its something in the water in Atlanta since they both started there.
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Didn't do much in YRK either, it was eventually turned on me that since I came from 2 union companies, I don't think right, they even offed free counseling to help me see things properly
 
every driver should call their local union hall, a lot of us have up and down the East Coast, the more that call the better we are. power in numbers.
 
Up front, I am seriously on the fence about it all. I look at it as not being a simple cut and dry situation. It's not simply voting yes and were good to go. It is very complex, at least to me. I'm not looking at it as if any issues I have or others will be taken care of and otherwise all else will remain the same and everybody is happy. Everything will change, a wide array of areas for better or worse. In no particular order: what about all the benefits provided by the company? Many known, and others not. Some you may use, some never but still pretty nice to have. What about the flexibility of getting a day off at times, or accommodations for getting off early for special events, you name it. It would take a massive post to cover everything, this is just off the top of my head. While everybody is ticked off right now and are ready to pull the trigger asap, calmer heads need to prevail. Do we just toss all that aside like it has no value? Maybe so. I doubt the company will continue to offer these things, or your center willing to be as accommodating at times if we voted the union in. Any one thing by itself can be brushed aside as insignificant compared to the immediate issues, many may never use them, or place little value on them. The choice is simple for some, but what about others that place value on any of the other benefits or things afforded as it is now and for sure will not be continued? That's just one or two aspects to add to all that has been talked about. I place value on some of this that others may deem useless, but this along with some other areas keeps me on the fence for now. For sure, I'd like to see managers that know how to manage, that aren't arrogant, condescending, full of themselves, wear kneepads when around superiors or talk to you like a teenager. We need less people being hired because they have a good salesman schtick and can BS their way into any position. Different hiring criteria or standards. The drivers know the good, the bad, and the ugly
 
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Exactly...what is getting off early? I tried to get out early (mind you, not early as in less than 8 hrs, early as in 10 hrs) for two weeks in order to go to the clinic to get my DOT physical completed. Only when I threatened calling off to get it done did they accomodate me.
 
steelhauler34 said:
Screw having the teamsters involved. I have no interst in that. The driver safety points only go back three years now...not five. In my opinion that is quite acceptable.
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Excuse my french, but that is the most boneheaded, company bone statement ive ever heard, the teamsters have a process that forbids the rank n files employer to discipline you for something u did ten days ago. Example, say i sideswipe a car, and get put out of service, and have to jockey or work the dock. And after ten days the employer doesnt provide a letter or etc, that incident is a wash and the time or miles u lost from working the dock u get through a greivence. So if i work 40 hrs on the dock and since i was put out of service and couldnt run my 2750 mile weekly run. I would get the differnce in pay, so for u to say u r ok with fedex going back 3 yrs, the union says FRED SMITH U GOT TEN DAYS.
 
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