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No F-bdy Bs

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So, assuming we go union, are you confident in your fellow drivers to vote intelligently on a contract?

Myself, im not so sure. We have a pile that believe Fx is the greatest thing in the world, and would settle, and vote "YES" on whatever was thrown at them.

Also, when we had our insurance meeting last year, we had a handful of drivers that didnt understand how a co-pay worked. Not so sure I want them voting on things like insurance rates(increases, cost, ect) pay, and so forth. Half dont want the union at all, and id be shocked if 30% of the total driving pool has a clue of how things work with a union.
That in mind, I bet a lot of drivers could be easily swayed into accepting/voting for, wayy less than we currently have.


So, ask yourself. The drivers around you. How much faith do you have in them?
 
Well we have to be a smarter more informed bunch than the dumb masses that voted in the fiasco we now have in DC......right? I know none of us here had a hand in that so faith is high......I think so. I think.....I.....don't.....man I hope so. :shrug:
 
Richard Cranium said:
So, they're not smart enough in your eyes to vote yes or no on a contract?

That's sad.
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That all it takes? Just clicking yes/no?
I can train my Boxer to do that. Problem is, my Boxer cant negotiate insurance, pay, and benefits.
So, what your saying, is that you want sheep to blindly follow the "UNION YES!" crowd regardless?
Nice.

With that mentality, your going to have a flock of spineless goons , that will vote us a pay reduction.

Try a little harder. Like it or not, your coworkers are representative of the voting public.
Hows that been going?

Alright then.


Call me crazy, but id rather have a group of informed, logical and intelligent people standing with me.


Im not as easily swayed to your side just because our raise was weak.
Im not against Union, but im not blindly going along with the crowd because its the hip thing this month. I need some solid convincing, not empty, internet chest thumping.
 
Myself, im not so sure. We have a pile that believe Fx is the greatest thing in the world, and would settle, and vote "YES" on whatever was thrown at them.

So if they vote the way they want and NOT the way you want them too , that makes them stupid in your eyes. Really....... Like RC stated "That's sad". Negative comments like that will only tick them off.
 
Redgoat said:
Myself, im not so sure. We have a pile that believe Fx is the greatest thing in the world, and would settle, and vote "YES" on whatever was thrown at them.

So if they vote the way they want and NOT the way you want them too , that makes them stupid in your eyes. Really....... Like RC stated "That's sad". Negative comments like that will only tick them off.
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Dont overplay that statement.
You know full well what I mean.



Also, im not sure as to the drivers in your barn, but a lot of the ones here dont have the common decency to remove a half eaten sandwich, or their dip cup from a tractor after using it, so, yeah, im a little skeptical putting something like my retirement in those same hands.
 
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No F-bdy Bs said:
...I bet a lot of drivers could be easily swayed into accepting/voting for, wayy less than we currently have.


So, ask yourself. The drivers around you. How much faith do you have in them?
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I understand what you're saying. I don't think ANY would vote for LESS than we have now. Some may want to give in without calling the 1st couple of bluffs. That's where education for all will be needed as far as what is reasonable to expect.

I expect some numbers will need to be crunched, as we have no desire to break the company. Some negotiation on rules as well. The company will want things. There will be committees formed (by consensus) that will advise the members as to what they have found out. Presumably the Teamster people will help guide us as to what is reasonable, customary etc.

In my opinion, the UPS Freight contract would be a "reasonable" guide from which we can add to or take from as negotiations go on. Not saying we want the exact contract they have but is is a good point of reference. No?

If I were running things( I'm not), that would be the blueprint, with constant printed updates to members as far as progress made, facts learned, etc. We would want the most educated and informed voters possible.
 
SwampRatt said:
I understand what you're saying. I don't think ANY would vote for LESS than we have now. Some may want to give in without calling the 1st couple of bluffs. That's where education for all will be needed as far as what is reasonable to expect.

I expect some numbers will need to be crunched, as we have no desire to break the company. Some negotiation on rules as well. The company will want things. There will be committees formed (by consensus) that will advise the members as to what they have found out. Presumably the Teamster people will help guide us as to what is reasonable, customary etc.

In my opinion, the UPS Freight contract would be a "reasonable" guide from which we can add to or take from as negotiations go on. Not saying we want the exact contract they have but is is a good point of reference. No?

If I were running things( I'm not), that would be the blueprint, with constant printed updates to members as far as progress made, facts learned, etc. We would want the most educated and informed voters possible.
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Thats fair. I can live with a good deal of that.

Good point on the uninformed caving to less than we deserve, because they wont stick out a bluff.
Thats exactly the type of thing that worries me.
 
Overton said:
The same group that came up with the scorecard everyone bitched about.:nono_h4h:
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I still dont believe that garbage.
Even if drivers did come up with it, the higher ups likely gave them some BS quiz, and twisted all their answers so they could claim "by your peers"



That, or a group of 600+mi day drivers that arrive at work to a hooked set.
 
SwampRatt said:
I understand what you're saying. I don't think ANY would vote for LESS than we have now. Some may want to give in without calling the 1st couple of bluffs. That's where education for all will be needed as far as what is reasonable to expect.

I expect some numbers will need to be crunched, as we have no desire to break the company. Some negotiation on rules as well. The company will want things. There will be committees formed (by consensus) that will advise the members as to what they have found out. Presumably the Teamster people will help guide us as to what is reasonable, customary etc.

In my opinion, the UPS Freight contract would be a "reasonable" guide from which we can add to or take from as negotiations go on. Not saying we want the exact contract they have but is is a good point of reference. No?

If I were running things( I'm not), that would be the blueprint, with constant printed updates to members as far as progress made, facts learned, etc. We would want the most educated and informed voters possible.
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To quote Mark Twain: "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it." You make the mistake of thinking the union would actually negotiate a contract and let us vote on it like they care what we think. There's a tanker outfit in Southern California that took a $4 per hour pay cut by going union, and magically the contract was approved by the drivers, even though they all claim they voted against it. Perhaps this was because the union can't collect dues until the workers are under contract? And they can't strike, thus they have no leverage in the first round of bargaining?Think about the YRC situation, they voted down a pay cut in some places, so they held the vote multiple times, until it suddenly passed! Imagine that!

Think twice before you sign a card, the union doesn't want you, they just want access to your paycheck.
 
Truckdriver79 said:
Around here we call him Silent Trucker for short. Oh wait..... He doesn't work days. Never mind. Speaking of ST, he's living up to his name.
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TD79, are you one of the steering wheel holders who claims the point system is unfair because it punishes people who wrecklessly endanger their co-workers and the motoring public?

Just asking, since some of the die hard pro union folks are whining about not being able to pull trailers from the dock with the door open...and not being able to roll sets of doubles because they drive like maniacs....

ST
 
No F-bdy Bs said:
Dont overplay that statement.
You know full well what I mean.



Also, im not sure as to the drivers in your barn, but a lot of the ones here dont have the common decency to remove a half eaten sandwich, or their dip cup from a tractor after using it, so, yeah, im a little skeptical putting something like my retirement in those same hands.
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Those are the same guys that won't bother to vote on a contract, one way or the other. Your assuming everyone would exercise their right to vote but, we all know, not all will.
The guy that won't throw away that half eaten sandwich, most likely wouldn't bother filling out a ballot and put it in his mailbox
 
lies, lies, lies

silent trucker said:
Think twice before you sign a card, the union doesn't want you, they just want access to your paycheck.
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Let's clarify this little subject.....The union never has access to your paycheck. You can pay your dues in numerous ways....mail a check, go to the hall and pay in person, or the payroll dept at your employer can make a payroll deduction and wire transfer the money on your behalf. The union never gets your account number and there is NO mandatory auto deduction from your checking or savings. STOP WITH THESE STUPID "FALSE TRUTHS". If you anti-union guys would just take a minute to talk to a UPSF or ABF driver with an open mind you might find out some of the scary union tactics you believe in just aren't true.
 
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A thought on voting compently - yesterday posted a pic of the petition for cin and people were saying congrats phl. These people didn't read words on a single page. Will they take the time to read a full contract offer to make sure they don't get screwed? Something to think about
 
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