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upnorth said:
Those days will be back.... Don't worry. All the guys we hired are not getting work. The revolving door will start soon enough.
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!?!? Already!?!? Are you talking about drivers , dockworkers , or both?

Off Topic: When times get tough ( business slows down ) wouldn't drivers get laid off ( economically terminated at Con-way ) before dockworkers since drivers get paid more. It seems this is the direction that the upper management is leaning towards. Also , how does seniority work for vacations when it comes to dockworkers and drivers. Do they impact the available days off when they're off?

Reading FedEx thread and dockworkers ( driver apprentice? ) can sign up to train to get CDL and hold seniority spot over a newly hired driver that already has a CDL. Do we do it like that at Con-way?
 
dalesr said:
Though I now run linehaul, I remember starting at 10:30, doing my pedal run, working the outbound, then gang stripping a van for the FAC before going home around 9 or 10. Those days are over, some who like the overtime miss it! I could take it or leave it, my kids were younger and sleeping by 8:00 so it didn't matter what time I got home.
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I'm sent out there after day line.. I hate it..
 
icuicp said:
!?!? Already!?!? Are you talking about drivers , dockworkers , or both?

Off Topic: When times get tough ( business slows down ) wouldn't drivers get laid off ( economically terminated at Con-way ) before dockworkers since drivers get paid more. It seems this is the direction that the upper management is leaning towards. Also , how does seniority work for vacations when it comes to dockworkers and drivers. Do they impact the available days off when they're off?

Reading FedEx thread and dockworkers ( driver apprentice? ) can sign up to train to get CDL and hold seniority spot over a newly hired driver that already has a CDL. Do we do it like that at Con-way?
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Yes, if you hire on as a dock worker then get your CDL, your seniority is your date of hire as a dock worker. That's how it was at my barn anyway. I do remember the newly graduated class talking among themselves regarding seniority, it seemed whoever passed and got their license first had seniority. This contradicts my previous statement, unless all were hired the same day. In that case, I would think seniority would go to the first application processed. I started the same day as another driver and I am senior to him based on application process date. We all know that Con-Way makes things up as they go along, so....
 
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dalesr said:
Yes, if you hire on as a dock worker then get your CDL, your seniority is your date of hire as a dock worker. That's how it was at my barn anyway. I do remember the newly graduated class talking among themselves regarding seniority, it seemed whoever passed and got their license first had seniority. This contradicts my previous statement, unless all were hired the same day. In that case, I would think seniority would go to the first application processed. I started the same day as another driver and I am senior to him based on application process date. We all know that Con-Way makes things up as they go along, so....
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It's suppose to go:
Temp workers
Conway dockworkers
Dsr's

Dsr's should be the last to be sent home.
 
I agree, but we have drivers go home before their eight, and dock help stays. I know I would have a problem if that were me. But it's not, so I can't worry about it.
 
upnorth said:
Those days will be back.... Don't worry. All the guys we hired are not getting work. The revolving door will start soon enough.
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Exactly. One of the big draws here, in my area, is OT after 8. Once you take away the overtime. Then guys start looking around. Just about everyone here in Cowtown is paying more than us right now. People will leave. And then the ones that don't will eventually go back to working OT. The cycle renews. And it's a simple one.

40 x $25 = $1000 a week or $4000 a month.
40 x $27 = $1080 and 20 ( more hours at straight time ) x $27 = $540 for $1620 a week or $6480 a month.

People ain't here for 40 hours. And they will not be able to afford to stay when starring down over two grand more a month to go work somewhere else. Seen it before. I'll see it again. And I try to tell the good ones to stick it out. Not to fall for it. The OT will come back. And I tell the rest how good it is on the other side of the fence. That they would be stupid to stay.

But really, as drivers right now. It's all the same out there. The only thing really holding you anywhere is your paycheck. The differences other than that is minimal. So I totally understand why a guy would make a decision based solely on what's in his wallet on Thursday.
 
With 4 weeks vacation, assigned tractor and trailer, bid run, I don't see anything on the other side of the fence that would make me jump ship. A extra 75 dollars a week isn't worth the increased stress. JMO
 
highspeeds said:
Exactly. One of the big draws here, in my area, is OT after 8. Once you take away the overtime. Then guys start looking around. Just about everyone here in Cowtown is paying more than us right now. People will leave. And then the ones that don't will eventually go back to working OT. The cycle renews. And it's a simple one.

40 x $25 = $1000 a week or $4000 a month.
40 x $27 = $1080 and 20 ( more hours at straight time ) x $27 = $540 for $1620 a week or $6480 a month.

People ain't here for 40 hours. And they will not be able to afford to stay when starring down over two grand more a month to go work somewhere else. Seen it before. I'll see it again. And I try to tell the good ones to stick it out. Not to fall for it. The OT will come back. And I tell the rest how good it is on the other side of the fence. That they would be stupid to stay.

But really, as drivers right now. It's all the same out there. The only thing really holding you anywhere is your paycheck. The differences other than that is minimal. So I totally understand why a guy would make a decision based solely on what's in his wallet on Thursday.
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Do you still think the OT will come back Highspeeds? I think you went to linehaul - are the runs still available that were there when you started the bid?
 
icuicp said:
Do you still think the OT will come back Highspeeds? I think you went to linehaul - are the runs still available that were there when you started the bid?
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Well, this post was written before the sale. As Con-way, I did. As XPO, I do not. Like many other drivers I feel that things will slowly but surely start to look more and more like some of our competition. OT after 60, less vacation offered, flat rate for drops and hooks, no dock time for line haul drivers, increasing part time and full time dock hands. There are a lot of things they can do to reduce our compensation without decreasing our wages. I expect these things to become a reality. EBITDA.

No, the same runs are not available. And we are not running our best money runs as much any more. Shuffling lanes and adjusting purchase transportation has streamlined the freight. Which we expected. Much of our competition here in Cbus is a end of the line. As it's much cheaper to route freight along the toll road to the north or across I-64 in the south.

All that said. Many termianls are short drivers. And not having an easy time hiring. So depending on where you are, OT is back. There isn't any choice. And of course, other terminals that have to many drivers are lending them to the busy ones to keep them working. It'll be another year or so until this is better sorted out. And then we can get a grip as to where we stand, as drivers with this company.

And remember Jacobs goal is to sell. So if you manage to stick it out for a few years you will be going through this entire process all over again. Another company looking to get it's investment back.

Short answer. No. And. no.
 
Our 10:00am city drivers are working through the outbound daily. Most of them working about 10 hours a day. The earlier starts ot varies based on the run. Some get some ot, some eight and skate.
On l/h, lots of vias being run to cover other barns, with earlier cut times to the fac's, that means more hours for some. I'm averaging 60/wk, a couple are pushing 70, via down and home plus some dock time.
 
dalesr said:
Our 10:00am city drivers are working through the outbound daily. Most of them working about 10 hours a day. The earlier starts ot varies based on the run. Some get some ot, some eight and skate.
On l/h, lots of vias being run to cover other barns, with earlier cut times to the fac's, that means more hours for some. I'm averaging 60/wk, a couple are pushing 70, via down and home plus some dock time.
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Yeah, we via a barn that has guys sitting.

Profits over people. EBITDA.

Different words. Same message.
 
highspeeds said:
Yeah, we via a barn that has guys sitting.

Profits over people. EBITDA.

Different words. Same message.
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I agree some barns used to sit drivers, but not anymore. I don't think it's we are busier, they are just short drivers. Those that have quit or retired just aren't being replaced. Do more with less. Lots of our vias are being run late in the night or even at the end, after you get all that barns freight, i.e.: they have no drivers there. This becomes problematic when the via isn't right on the way home and is quick, or you have to stay late at the fac to wait for a consistently late van or pup. Add all the other late factors like the via is one and one, your inbound is waiting, rush hour traffic, an extra break, scales that are now open, you get the picture. I just do what I'm told as long as it's safe, and can be done in 14 hours or less. If it's too late, in some cases, we take the freight back to our barn and the other sends a driver to pick it up.
 
upnorth said:
Those days will be back.... Don't worry. All the guys we hired are not getting work. The revolving door will start soon enough.
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They indeed are back UN at my barn. Almost a year to the day from your above post, your prophecy on long days returning and OT aplenty is now a reality at my service center. Many of our part time o/b dock cure are gone and we regulars are now being forced to work o/b when we get in at nite. from our peddles.
 
vetran peddleman said:
They indeed are back UN at my barn. Almost a year to the day from your above post, your prophecy on long days returning and OT aplenty is now a reality at my service center. Many of our part time o/b dock cure are gone and we regulars are now being forced to work o/b when we get in at nite. from our peddles.
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Didn't get all our I/b wrapped up till after 11 o'clock this morning, hitting the street around 11:25. The last arriving I/b guy got in around 10 o'clock. I asked him what time he left w/ his loads from our barn last night, 10;30 pm he said. Over 300,000 lbs o/b left our place last night. We average around 150,000 lbs. This is just end of the month numbers, I hope. And w/ hardly any part time dock help many P&D guys were forced to work O/B. OT is through the roof. Told by I/b super that our SCM just can't find pt dock or cdl drivers anywhere. So until he does I tell all my stressed out colleagues...'Make it while you can'.
 
vetran peddleman said:
Didn't get all our I/b wrapped up till after 11 o'clock this morning, hitting the street around 11:25. The last arriving I/b guy got in around 10 o'clock. I asked him what time he left w/ his loads from our barn last night, 10;30 pm he said. Over 300,000 lbs o/b left our place last night. We average around 150,000 lbs. This is just end of the month numbers, I hope. And w/ hardly any part time dock help many P&D guys were forced to work O/B. OT is through the roof. Told by I/b super that our SCM just can't find pt dock or cdl drivers anywhere. So until he does I tell all my stressed out colleagues...'Make it while you can'.
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Why is this a surprise to anyone. For years Con-Way was know for treating there employees like crap, at least in my area. Thank to Preston and Red Star closing there doors and the mass excess of driver and dockworkers. What I have been seeing in the morial and the I don't care attitude get worst. The company that BJ want to knock out of the top spot just gave it driver a nice $0.75 raise that put them well over 26 per hour.
With the shortage of driver willing to do ltl work and put up with the ltl bullshit the big driving factor is pay along with working hour and amount of dock time. The FedEx barn near me has all there flex drivers in no later than 930am and unless they are slammed dock time is very little to none. We on the other hand have flex coming in as late as noon. Driver working the dock 3hrs when they get back and then leaving at 9pm on a late Del or pickup.
But they still scratch there heads and can't figure out why no one wants to come work here.
I surprised that you have an SCM I hear lots of them have jump ship.
 
Fly-by-night said:
Why is this a surprise to anyone. For years Con-Way was know for treating there employees like crap, at least in my area. Thank to Preston and Red Star closing there doors and the mass excess of driver and dockworkers. What I have been seeing in the morial and the I don't care attitude get worst. The company that BJ want to knock out of the top spot just gave it driver a nice $0.75 raise that put them well over 26 per hour.
With the shortage of driver willing to do ltl work and put up with the ltl :horseshit: the big driving factor is pay along with working hour and amount of dock time. The FedEx barn near me has all there flex drivers in no later than 930am and unless they are slammed dock time is very little to none. We on the other hand have flex coming in as late as noon. Driver working the dock 3hrs when they get back and then leaving at 9pm on a late Del or pickup.
But they still scratch there heads and can't figure out why no one wants to come work here.
I surprised that you have an SCM I hear lots of them have jump ship.
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I've never worked at any other ltl, but what's the big deal about working the dock? I understand not all ltl' make "drivers" work the dock, but really, $25.91 to move freight from one trailer to another? Since I have spent most of my 12 plus years here(yes, I know that's not long) running linehaul, dock work is part of the job. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be running enough miles to support my family. Our longest run is 163 miles one way. I understand some drive tons of miles and don't want or have time to work the dock at the fac, but for me and everyone at my barn, we need to work the dock..
Our dock workers are pretty steady here. A few come and go, but we've got a pretty good crew for the most part. We do have some 10:00am peddle drivers and some flex drivers work the o/b, but a little (10hrs/wk) OT is fine with them. Like VP said, make it while you can. You never know what changes are coming. Of course, if you don't like working the dock, kind of like if you want to work at a union shop, feel free to apply elsewhere!
Don't get me wrong Fly, if BJ doesn't keep up with other ltl's in pay and bennies, we all know what'll happen.
 
At my barn this summer you could have all the hours you wanted now they are asking if anybody wants cc days.
 
dalesr said:
I've never worked at any other ltl, but what's the big deal about working the dock? I understand not all ltl' make "drivers" work the dock, but really, $25.91 to move freight from one trailer to another? Since I have spent most of my 12 plus years here(yes, I know that's not long) running linehaul, dock work is part of the job. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be running enough miles to support my family. Our longest run is 163 miles one way. I understand some drive tons of miles and don't want or have time to work the dock at the fac, but for me and everyone at my barn, we need to work the dock..
Our dock workers are pretty steady here. A few come and go, but we've got a pretty good crew for the most part. We do have some 10:00am peddle drivers and some flex drivers work the o/b, but a little (10hrs/wk) OT is fine with them. Like VP said, make it while you can. You never know what changes are coming. Of course, if you don't like working the dock, kind of like if you want to work at a union shop, feel free to apply elsewhere!
Don't get me wrong Fly, if BJ doesn't keep up with other ltl's in pay and bennies, we all know what'll happen.
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Hey I like your post. I've said this a couple times, if you don't want to work the dock then why did you apply to Conway? Every single DSR that gets hired here knows the deal, you're going to pound the dock and work your freight.

And I see the same crap every day. Guys work the dock too long and complain. Or they don't work the dock enough and complain. I see guys complain and complain but would never leave. Even guys here... some guys have time to post 10x a day on TB.com but never checked out indeed.com. We get it, you hate your job and don't want to work the dock. How about you go do something about it instead of complaining to everyone.
 
peachykeen said:
At my barn this summer you could have all the hours you wanted now they are asking if anybody wants cc days.
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Really PK? At my place you can't buy a day off. It's all hands on deck till further notice. The only way to get time off is to fake being sick, or have your time already booked from the 1st of the year. We're really short handed cause of guys on vacation, others quitting, etc. Result...our guy just needs everyone working, Period.
 
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