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Kennesaw Kid, I have a very serious question for you that I think alot of workers at UPSF would like an answer to.
Considering that members of the Teamsters pay dues to support Teamster activities why didn't the IBT Reps demand better language conserning subcontractors and O/O as well as rail activity. If you cannot protect our jobs with strong language we may not be around to pay any dues to the union.Not meaning any disrespect but I hope to get a good answer and not political sidestep.
 
Kennesaw Kid, I have a very serious question for you that I think alot of workers at UPSF would like an answer to.
Considering that members of the Teamsters pay dues to support Teamster activities why didn't the IBT Reps demand better language conserning subcontractors and O/O as well as rail activity. If you cannot protect our jobs with strong language we may not be around to pay any dues to the union.Not meaning any disrespect but I hope to get a good answer and not political sidestep.

I thought Article 43 & 44 were well written.

Anybody laid off...you CANNOT use other modes of transportation......They cannot use subcontracting to avoid overtime and to avoid filling filling existing bargaining unit positions..............that is even better than the language in the NMFA.....I hope that answers your question?.....KK
 
Where is the sick time in the contract. I don't see any? Do we have any paid sick leave?

Article 25, Section 2.

Call them what you wish, but NMFA has just 5 and they are taken as sick and/or personal days.........you have 3.......anything you have enjoyed in past practices should be filed on within 60 days of ratification of this contract per Article 41, and your Local will see to it that it is done....that is what they are here for....to help you........KK
 
Article 25, Section 2.

Call them what you wish, but NMFA has just 5 and they are taken as sick and/or personal days.........you have 3.......anything you have enjoyed in past practices should be filed on within 60 days of ratification of this contract per Article 41, and your Local will see to it that it is done....that is what they are here for....to help you........KK

i was told local cant bargain that!
 
back on topic, kk in article 44 is says the company can continue it's practice regarding runs that do not have a returning load.

The companies practice which it is just starting to enforve is to cut that run if it is a schedule or not.

We have instances in ORO where freight comes from down south and goes up to gafney, those runs have 3 legs, there cutting these runs putting the drivers on extraboard, the freight is being ran by contractors from miami to gafney eliminating the mia > oro run and the oro > richmond hill meet and the richmond hill > Gaf meet, all 3 drivers have lost there runs. Becuase 1 would pull empties.

Same thing in tampa 2 drivers put on extraboard 2 contractors hired. There not laying off. I don't see where the contract prevents this.
 
huh?

them articles are clear to me to kk, when we are under contract, which is hopefully april 7th, if you have a o/o on and a guy at home read the damn article you guys, it's simple. if you don't want them in, stand out at the gate and have your union hostler break his set down, stand strong,i read the master freight, says the same thing.:realmad::realmad: if you have a o/o in your yard and a guy on layoff, it's your own fault, deal with it when you are under contract, or hell lets just stay like we are, if you guys like the o/os all over your barn, vote no and we will keep letting them add more and more, better be pulling heads out of our asses and let reality sink in
 
them articles are clear to me to kk, when we are under contract, which is hopefully april 7th, if you have a o/o on and a guy at home read the damn article you guys, it's simple. if you don't want them in, stand out at the gate and have your union hostler break his set down, stand strong,i read the master freight, says the same thing.:realmad::realmad: if you have a o/o in your yard and a guy on layoff, it's your own fault, deal with it when you are under contract, or hell lets just stay like we are, if you guys like the o/os all over your barn, vote no and we will keep letting them add more and more, better be pulling heads out of our asses and let reality sink in

Thank you for the post....KK:smilie_132:
 
we got nothin short of our own rule book..........oh im sorry......enforced!:chairshot:

Naw, I think you need to put them side by side and read again...remember, the company can change a rulebook anytime.......a collective bargaining agreement keeps them from doing that....must we remember the past when many unilateral chnages is what started all this in 1994?....KK
 
we got nothin short of our own rule book..........oh im sorry......enforced!:chairshot:

I don't know if your rule book has this, but mine does.
There is a disclaimer that says:
Certain statements in this book may be different from provisions of existing collective bargaining agreements. In these instances, the terms of the collective bargaining agreement will apply for those union employees subject to it.

In our case there is not much in that rule book that applies to us.
 
Concerning the cut runs: When the contract begins, should your run be cut, you will get 8 hours pay and go home, if your run is in the 90 percent of run operations that will be highlited and posted at your service center. I have not been told at my barn, (yet), that we will be able to bump a casual driver or offered that work, should it be available. This is done under MASTERFREIGHT AND MASTER PACKAGE, but who would want to work if you can get 8 hours and stay home...
 
Concerning the cut runs: When the contract begins, should your run be cut, you will get 8 hours pay and go home, if your run is in the 90 percent of run operations that will be highlited and posted at your service center. I have not been told at my barn, (yet), that we will be able to bump a casual driver or offered that work, should it be available. This is done under MASTERFREIGHT AND MASTER PACKAGE, but who would want to work if you can get 8 hours and stay home...

..what is a
casual driver
...we have none..dock workers with cdl..yeap...which get used rarly..ok the might run a trailer to the railyard on sat..
 
Okay KK, there is language to protect from layoffs. Let's say you are on the extraboard and in a weeks time span you get 2 300 mile days of work and the rest of the week you are told that there is no extra freight yet the O/O's and contractors are pulling freight out of the yard. How many weeks can you afford to do this before you have to find another job? The sentence that reads in Article 44 states "The employer may continue its practice regarding runs that do not have loads returning to the home domicile or its practice(including pay equivalency)concerning the reassignment of company drivers to cover peak periods". O/O Billy Bigrigger pulls a load from SOH to KAN, takes hours and pulls a load from KAN to MEM, takes hours and pulls a load from MEM to SOH. No returning freight to home domicile but yet an extraboard driver could have done the same thing and this contract cannot stop it from happening. How does this language protect our road drivers jobs??? I appreciate your last response but I see the language allowing to much use of O/O, contractors and rails. Management doesn't have to lay anybody off, this contract allows them to starve them off. Enjoy your time with your family. I look forward to your next response.
 
Okay KK, there is language to protect from layoffs. Let's say you are on the extraboard and in a weeks time span you get 2 300 mile days of work and the rest of the week you are told that there is no extra freight yet the O/O's and contractors are pulling freight out of the yard. How many weeks can you afford to do this before you have to find another job? The sentence that reads in Article 44 states "The employer may continue its practice regarding runs that do not have loads returning to the home domicile or its practice(including pay equivalency)concerning the reassignment of company drivers to cover peak periods". O/O Billy Bigrigger pulls a load from SOH to KAN, takes hours and pulls a load from KAN to MEM, takes hours and pulls a load from MEM to SOH. No returning freight to home domicile but yet an extraboard driver could have done the same thing and this contract cannot stop it from happening. How does this language protect our road drivers jobs??? I appreciate your last response but I see the language allowing to much use of O/O, contractors and rails. Management doesn't have to lay anybody off, this contract allows them to starve them off. Enjoy your time with your family. I look forward to your next response.

OS....lets just look at it this way....as of now you have no protection what so ever..........with this contract at lest you will have a greivence procedure that will mold the interprentations as to how this will be applied. The NMFA has a book of these dating back to the 1960's and that is what the greivence process does....it rules on the merits of the workers case....as of now, there is no record of interprentations as there is not one in place until the contract is ratified.....read the Article concerning the Greivence Proceures....this will mold the contract as it goes along the next five years......KK
 
As far as I am concerned when you answer with "as of now you have no protection" you are basically stumped for a good response to the question. If the greivence is turned down(which I'm sure it will be) you still have no protection. That is just one reason this contract is a turd. Might I also add that UPS owns the teamsters as far as UPS members go. The teamsters have rolled over and become UPS's *****es and have never shown for one minute that they will work hard to negotiate a fair contract for us. Highest paid in the LTL industry means nothing if you can't protect your job from non-union carriers!:nutkick:
 
As far as I am concerned when you answer with "as of now you have no protection" you are basically stumped for a good response to the question. If the greivence is turned down(which I'm sure it will be) you still have no protection. That is just one reason this contract is a turd. Might I also add that UPS owns the teamsters as far as UPS members go. The teamsters have rolled over and become UPS's *****es and have never shown for one minute that they will work hard to negotiate a fair contract for us. Highest paid in the LTL industry means nothing if you can't protect your job from non-union carriers!:nutkick:

It is what it is. Vote no and strike and then see what happens. UPS has that planned out too!
 
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