[quote author=hoffa link=topic=79476.msg823829#msg823829 date=1271960581]
You are NOT! a teamster either...what are you? mgmt has not taken a paycut. no raise last year and this year. and your copay went up.....did you lose 15% of what your making now? let me answer NO! but you want me and my teamster brothers to take one so bad you are arguing our managers position everyday!!. think about it guys!!! come on.. sorry :buttkisser: but we dont buy it!!! im even a bigger NO vote now!
I'll give you that... I technically haven't taken a "pay cut" per se... but I have given back benefits...my deductible went up, I have to pay for health insurance, and copays went up as well. My 401k match has been taken away. No, my gross salary hasn't decreased, but my after-tax benefits most certainly has. The company match on 401k is a defined benefit that was part of my compensation package. Taking it away is EXACTLY the same thing as taking money out of my paycheck. So I've taken a pay cut. There's no argument to say they haven't. I know I'm an exception but I've been particularly impacted by the benefits changes as I've had a couple very serious medical issues in the last couple years... so increased copay and deductible has significantly affected me.
And yes, I do consider the freezing of promotions and cost of living raises to be a decrease in compensation. If you had to give up a yearly raise, you certainly would feel the same way. The cost of living in this country continuously rises, so if pay doesn't rise with it, then you are making less each year than the previous year. Not in gross dollars, but in real-world dollars. And if that doesn't make sense, then look at it this way... compared to everyone else in the world (who hasn't made concessions), I'm making 10 to 15% less than those people now than I would have been if none of this happened. Again, you refuse to see it, but if it were you, I would bet you a dollar you'd feel the same way.
Honestly, if EVERYONE in the company were subject to the same freezes than the non-contractual employees are... we would be in a better situation. No raises would be given when we're losing money and the changes that were made at the GO would have been more effective once spread out over more employees. I understand your contract makes it so you don't have to be subject to those sacrifices, and that's great for you, but for you to say I haven't given anything up is ridiculous and offensive. If we hadn't made these sacrifices, my paycheck would be about $700 or $800 more per month (gross) than it is right now. How can that not be a concession?
Just remember, the size of your vote doesn't make it count more than once.