Sorry to hear that. I knew "Dutch" well. I went by 1/4 pounder on cb. We ran together sometimes in Wis. when he lived/worked out of Oshgosh for Hyman and I worked for AFS and later JTL and Holland at stp ( i also worked for Hyman for a short time at St Paul after AFS closed) Cliff was a great guy. Didn't have an enemy in the world. Always had a smile. May he rest in peace and not have to fight those Jiflox any more. (you former Hyman guys know what I'm talking about!!!!) Note: quarterpounder was already taken on this site, so i'm using speedball now (Frank Formaco was the original, but he passed away some time back in Az. so he won't mind) May he also RIP