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You are so pathetic you can't argue anything without calling names, yelling hate and vitriol and whining that outsiders are invading your precious forum. Who is the insecure little man? Why it's you! Good for you, you're getting a defined pension! What happens to it when you die? It gets reduced. What happens to my investment account? Well, it's my money and when I cash it out it's my cash. I could care less what you get. What does aggravate me is your attitude. You think you're so much better than me and I bet you go to the hall and yell and cry for your "brothers" but you don't care about anyone but yourself. You would step over a "brother" for a nickel.
Listen to you whine. You are so low that you are funny. You come to here I don't go to your forum
You are so pathetic you can't argue anything without calling names, yelling hate and vitriol and whining that outsiders are invading your precious forum. Who is the insecure little man? Why it's you! Good for you, you're getting a defined pension! What happens to it when you die? It gets reduced. What happens to my investment account? Well, it's my money and when I cash it out it's my cash. I could care less what you get. What does aggravate me is your attitude. You think you're so much better than me and I bet you go to the hall and yell and cry for your "brothers" but you don't care about anyone but yourself. You would step over a "brother" for a nickel.
Listen to you whine. And as for stepping over a Brother just come to Cleveland and ask how many Brothers I have ever stepped over.
All is forgiven...about what? Just what is it about trollls and accusations of hurt feelings anyway? Only those with low self esteem who strive for that sense of accomplishment boast aboat having the ability to hurt someones feelings. Let me be clear on this since you have a hard time accepting, not understanding true interpretations. I have to actually care about someone before they can hurt my feelings and as of this moment that is not the case so you can save that course of action for your next debate. I believe you put way to much faith in your abilities.Next, you are the one that "interpreted" my comment was stating that you were "ridiculing me". What I said was, "it wan an attempt to ridicule the point that I was trying to get across" with the emphasis being on "attempt" and "point". And another question, why are you so concerned about me wanting to hurt your feelings now? You dont have to keep fretting over that because I am not one that has to go out and hurt feelings in order to feel like I accomplished something.

Now that we got that out of the way, lets proceed shall we? Why wont you accept the fact what the courts have ruled as the true interpretations for 200 years? Why cant you accept the fact that the courts today should continue to enforce the strict reading and application of the Constitution the way it has been interpreted for the first 200 years? As for you stating that " my interpretation of the First and Second Amendment, it is just that, my interpretIation". Im sorry to inform you that you are dead wrong on that account, that was the courts interpretations for the first 200 years anyway, I like most just happen to agree with them. Tell me, are you one of those who think the Constitution is outdated? The way you rambled on about changing the Constitution so that it would apply to the situations of today made me think that you do. Do you know why the first Ten Amendments are called the Bill of Rights? Do you actually know how many rights we have lost in the last twenty years alone? Why are you so insistent that our God given inalienable rights are now open to interpretation? Or are you now going to argue that the authors of the Constitution couldnt have predicted or even imagined that we wouldnt still have the need to have our rights protected today? Sounds silly, doesnt it? But then again, so do you when you ramble on about my statement about the the strict reading and application of the Constitution. Do you realize, or even care that our children today are being taught that the government gives us our rights? Why do you suppose that is? Well lets see, logic tells us that if the goverment gives you your rights then they can also take them away.

About my analogy of the robbery, just what in the world were you thinking when you stated that here would be nothing that would need to be "Interpreted" because there would be video evidence? Video evidence, are you serious, just how would video evidence show the inner thoughts of a man that robbed the bank? The robber was stating how he interpreted his actions not how others did but then again, you knew that, but as usual just refused to accept it One would think that you could of come up with something better than video evidence in an attempt to make my analogy sound silly. And before you go off and say my feelings are hurt again by trying to accuse me of saying you called me silly, let me be absolutely clear this time, Im saying that you attempted to call my analagy silly, not me.

And finally, your statement "A person walks into a Bank with a gun(and presumably a mask) and demands cash..... There is nothing to "interpret" ..The "intent" to commit Robbery would be overwhelmingly obvious". I see that you werent completely oblivious to the point that I was trying to make in my analogy. But guess what, the government starts restricting the peoples speech and gun ownership, there is also nothing to "interpret" in "Freedom of Speech" and the "Right to Keep and Bear Arms" either. The "intent" to strip the people of their God given rights would be overwhelmingly obvious too. But you fail to either recognize or accept this, why?
You are so pathetic you can't argue anything without calling names, yelling hate and vitriol and whining that outsiders are invading your precious forum. Who is the insecure little man? Why it's you! Good for you, you're getting a defined pension! What happens to it when you die? It gets reduced. What happens to my investment account? Well, it's my money and when I cash it out it's my cash. I could care less what you get. What does aggravate me is your attitude. You think you're so much better than me and I bet you go to the hall and yell and cry for your "brothers" but you don't care about anyone but yourself. You would step over a "brother" for a nickel.
You keep coming here crying about what I may not get. You are whining all the time. You are so jealous of a successful Brother and everyone can see it.

I earned my retirement and you hoped for one. I was hired and you were not, and you blamed everyone but the real reason you did not measure up YOU.

If we ever need a little shaky guy we gave your number. 1 800 Wee dude
 
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Snakestillthesame you are funny. So easy to get mad and to watch you squirm is funny also.

I have what you want and all because I stood and fought for it and you did not. You are now kicking yourself in the butt for being a coward years ago.

Just let it go. Look at the bright side the price of aluminum is going up so all those cans you will be collecting when you are unable to drive will be worth more.

Sad you come here to see how the other side lives. YOUR COMPASSIONATE BROTHER ALWAYS IN RETIREMENT!
 
Maybe I have been to hard on you Snakestillthesame. I will be needing a lawn boy when I retire and since I will have a steady income and you won't maybe I could hire you if you learn to keep your mouth shut about my defined pension. See on topic and you are not, YOUR FUTURE BOSS BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
And did you research what a driver will get if his employer does not have a plan for his retirement? We will receive a pension one way or another. Others will get nothing. Could you post your links.
http://www.ufcwmonitor.com/pensions/pension-benefit-guarantee-corporation/

I have family in UFCW local 1 and they found out this week their pension plan will be insolvent in 9 years. I was in local 1 for about 4 years back in the 90's. Tops markets and Sahlens Meat Packing are 2 companies I know are affected by this.
 
We have to protect our pensions. What you see is what will happen if we just sit around and do nothing. We will be alright.
You are rite. We shouldn't have to worry, but our pensions are being givin away by all these politicians to bankers that are above the law. Enron screwed over millions including my grandpa. Givin they were 401 k's that are supposed to be bulletproof just like our pensions. It all scares me. Like you i have less years to retire and was planning my pension in my retirement. Funny how our government can stab us in the back. There are more of us than them. So why do we all let it happen.
 
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