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Hr 397 Moved, 6/11/2019

Discussion in 'Central States Pension Fund Discussion' started by jimmy g, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. axlethedriver

    axlethedriver Active Member

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    "The Constitution's first three words—We the People—affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens.
     
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    jimmy g Kook

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    at that time, States appointed Senators and there was no income tax or standing armies. Read on to the Articles that describe the duties of each branch. Socialism/ providing needs was not amongst those. The Duty of the Federal Government was Defense, and Judicating thru the only Court. The 9th and 10th Amendments gave responsibility to the individual and the states. Madison wrote in the Federalist Papers, that the people and states would govern so powerfully that the Federal Government might not even survive.

    https://fee.org/resources/not-your-to-give-2/


    One day in the House of Representatives, a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Davy Crockett arose:

    “Mr. Speaker–I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

    Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.”

     
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  3. Dracula

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    Tonight, the labor loving Democratic presidential candidates debate. Anybody want to guess how many are going to address the pension problem vs how many want to provide $$$trillions to bail out the milleniums? Naw, I didn't think so.
     
  4. Roadway spy

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    Come on they have to use our pension money to take care of all the new people coming into the country what’s wrong with you.
     
  5. axlethedriver

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    Jimmy exactly what is their job? This government is so polarized as are so many on this board hardly anything is getting done. I say fire them all.
     
  6. Crystal

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    There is probably some truth to that. But it passed out of committee 26 to 18. I wonder how many of the 26 yeas were republicans? I wonder how many of the nays were democrats? Do you see where I'm going with bi-partisanship? Probably passes in the democrat controlled house and dies in the republican controlled senate. Just politics as usual in DC.
     
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    The job of Federal Government is Defense, and to make the States play nice together, per the Constitution. Everything else it does is SUPPOSED to be Forbidden.
     
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    Stand Alone, it'll fail. Attached to a Spending Bill it sails thru, like MEPRA did.
     
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  9. Crystal

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    Ah Kline-Miller I remember it well. There is an idiot on here who claims Obama stole our pensions because he didn't shut down the government back in 2014 over MEPRA.
     
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    It’s true! If Trump would have signed the same thing you would never stop crying! That’s a fact!!!
     
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    Crystal Well-Known Member

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    How can your opinion be a fact? I cried when Obama signed it. But I understand why he did. The same as I will understand if Trump signs the OSB with the Butch Lewis Act attached.
     
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    Is there another omnibus bill this year? I thought the one they did in February covered the whole year?
     
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  13. SAC75

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    It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Obama never tried to fix it either.
     
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    Technically, it is covered. There are always proposed changes. There are also things expiring- like raising the Debt Ceiling. That vote sill be in August or September.

    http://www.crfb.org/blogs/upcoming-congressional-fiscal-policy-deadlines
     
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  15. Crystal

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    You've got me confused here. How could Obama have fixed an amendment to the funding bill when the republicans controlled the house? And I questioned your post being fact when you used a hypothetical situation

    Now just answer this. How can my crying about something that didn't even happen be a fact and not just your opinion? Are you coming after me because I called an unnamed poster an idiot? There is only 1 poster on Truckingboards that I called an idiot or any names and it isn't you
     
  16. SAC75

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    Obama had two years of the House and the Senate. They could’ve made laws to protect the pensions back when he got elected. They, “the democrats “ chose not to.
    https://www.quora.com/How-many-years-did-Obama-have-a-Democratic-Congress

    Then two years later signed the Omnibus of 2014. Veto power! That’s how Obama could’ve saved it. It’s called negotiating.
     
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  17. Crystal

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    Gee, I thought we had pension protection back in 2012. I think they called it ERISA. If I'm not mistaken it was Ryan and the republican controlled house that attached Kline-Miller to the funding bill. But if you want to blame Obama for our pension mess then have at it. It won't change a thing.
     
  18. SAC75

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    We did have pension protection moron. It ended in 2014, you know, when Obama signed all our protections away. It could’ve been extended or fixed. But the Union loving democrat president didn’t think pensions or unions were important enough to fight for.
     
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    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/01/29/remarks-president-retirement

    Then Jan 29, 2014 he makes a speech. Here’s part of his speech Mr. protector in chief.


    “And a retirement used to be a three-legged stool, used to have a pension. Then you had your Social Security. Then you had your own private savings. And you put that all together, and you could retire. But today, most workers don’t have a pension in America. Just half work for an employer that offers any kind of retirement plan. A Social Security check is critical, but oftentimes that monthly check, that's not enough. And while the stock market has doubled over the last five years, that doesn’t help somebody if you don't have a 401(k).”

    I don’t owe that liar a thing
     
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  20. Crystal

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    Why are you calling me names? You said Obama didn't do anything to protect pensions in 2012. I said we had ERISA until 2014 when the republicans attached Kline-Miller to the funding bill. As much as I would have liked Obama to not sign the bill I do understand why he didn't shut the government down over it.

    And if the truth be told the MPRA of 2014 has helped some funds to rehabilitate . By lowering pension benefits by 20% has helped my pension in the NY Allied fund. But the bulk of my pension comes from another fund which is beyond help from any MPRA actions. We're looking at a 65% cut next year when we run out of money and the PBGC steps in.............. What have I posted that makes me an idiot? So why the name calling?
     

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