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It has to be so, cause RB says so

ABF381

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In order to do that, the union reps on grievance committees had to agree with employers or risk a deadlock that could force them into a work stoppage.
That's not true, except for you doing that on your own. Is this you going into a committee meeting?
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SAC75

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Decent? You brag about the operating ratio at ABF but management is only decent. I assume decent means less than average. Imagine what ABF could do with your definition of good management. The job of management is scheduling, supervising and holding the labor force accountable. If the thousands of union labor at ABF are better at their jobs than the thousands at YRC, it's because management is doing their job. 30 years in trucking and I never met a driver who didn't know more about managing than the managers.
You are a complete crybaby! Who cares what you think? I know I don’t.
 

Razorblade

Well-Known Member
You are a complete crybaby! Who cares what you think? I know I don’t.
Amazing!
YRC is failing because of poor management.
ABF is thriving in spit of poor management because of the workforce
You don't get it both ways.
Why is it so hard to admit that ABF has had excellent management to flourish in the deregulated industry? Just surviving the Carolina merger was a major accomplishment.
 

Steward of the Rock

Well-Known Member
Amazing!
YRC is failing because of poor management.
ABF is thriving in spit of poor management because of the workforce
You don't get it both ways.
Why is it so hard to admit that ABF has had excellent management to flourish in the deregulated industry? Just surviving the Carolina merger was a major accomplishment.
So let me get this straight. You are judging the success of management based on being able to recover and survive after a merger? We were told that after the ABF/Carolina merger that at one point, ABF was just three weeks away from meeting payroll. That is how close ABF came to shutting the doors because of this merger. That being said, you are now stating that recovering from this merger was a success and it was because of superior management. If that is the case, then Yellow must have four times more superior management than ABF as they managed to survive four different mergers (5 companies combined) within a four to five year period and are still in business 13 years later. Blade, In the future, please use more common sense before posting. I am going to be nice on this one and let you off the hook.
 

vongrimmenstein

I stand for our flag, & kneel for the fallen
So let me get this straight. You are judging the success of management based on being able to recover and survive after a merger? We were told that after the ABF/Carolina merger that at one point, ABF was just three weeks away from meeting payroll. That is how close ABF came to shutting the doors because of this merger. That being said, you are now stating that recovering from this merger was a success and it was because of superior management. If that is the case, then Yellow must have four times more superior management than ABF as they managed to survive four different mergers (5 companies combined) within a four to five year period and are still in business 13 years later. Blade, In the future, please use more common sense before posting. I am going to be nice on this one and let you off the hook.
You are to kind. Next time he acts up, place him on the hook. Hopefully in a meat locker owned by Guido. von.
 

Razorblade

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So let me get this straight. You are judging the success of management based on being able to recover and survive after a merger? We were told that after the ABF/Carolina merger that at one point, ABF was just three weeks away from meeting payroll. That is how close ABF came to shutting the doors because of this merger. That being said, you are now stating that recovering from this merger was a success and it was because of superior management. If that is the case, then Yellow must have four times more superior management than ABF as they managed to survive four different mergers (5 companies combined) within a four to five year period and are still in business 13 years later. Blade, In the future, please use more common sense before posting. I am going to be nice on this one and let you off the hook.
 

Razorblade

Well-Known Member
I give up! I'm done. I'm wasting time using reason and logic in an attempt to reach the unreachable. Labor good, management bad. The capitalist corporation should just surrender to the socialist union. All profits should be divided among the employees. The wealthy should invest their money for the sole purpose of creating jobs that overpay and underwork. The CEO is not worth $10 million a year for overseeing a nationwide operation that employs tens of thousands. However, a linehaul driver who can't spell or produce a correctly structured sentence ( read some of the posts on TB ) is worth a compensation package, wages and benefits of nearly $200,000.
It's obviously the hard working Teamsters that made ABF profitable and successful while the indolent managers were having three martini lunches and padding their portfolios with stock options. Those same ( they are all the same, seniority is the only difference ) Teamsters were unable to save the other 600+ companies.
YRC is on life support because of management. The only thing to do is fire all the managers and let the union run the company.
You win. The stress is too much. I will sit and watch as you implode and your jobs disappear. Once again, I will retire. TB will be very boring without me.
 

ABF381

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I give up! I'm done. I'm wasting time using reason and logic in an attempt to reach the unreachable. Labor good, management bad. The capitalist corporation should just surrender to the socialist union. All profits should be divided among the employees. The wealthy should invest their money for the sole purpose of creating jobs that overpay and underwork. The CEO is not worth $10 million a year for overseeing a nationwide operation that employs tens of thousands. However, a linehaul driver who can't spell or produce a correctly structured sentence ( read some of the posts on TB ) is worth a compensation package, wages and benefits of nearly $200,000.
It's obviously the hard working Teamsters that made ABF profitable and successful while the indolent managers were having three martini lunches and padding their portfolios with stock options. Those same ( they are all the same, seniority is the only difference ) Teamsters were unable to save the other 600+ companies.
YRC is on life support because of management. The only thing to do is fire all the managers and let the union run the company.
You win. The stress is too much. I will sit and watch as you implode and your jobs disappear. Once again, I will retire. TB will be very boring without me.
Adios as our friend Selena would say...like most things you say you go to an extreme...you seem to think that we shouldn't look out for ourselves and we should give everything to our overlords. If we did the kind of things that you suggest our CEO would be laughing all the way to the bank as we made $15 an hour without overtime, and paying for a big portion of our insurance.... no thank you, I came to ABF for a good job and I will leave here and get another job before I ever let it become the crap hole you are suggesting we let it become...
 

seabreeze

Not Well Known Member, 63 Year Teamster Member
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Adios as our friend Selena would say...like most things you say you go to an extreme...you seem to think that we shouldn't look out for ourselves and we should give everything to our overlords. If we did the kind of things that you suggest our CEO would be laughing all the way to the bank as we made $15 an hour without overtime, and paying for a big portion of our insurance.... no thank you, I came to ABF for a good job and I will leave here and get another job before I ever let it become the crap hole you are suggesting we let it become...
This is the last straw, with the departure of Bubba and now RB, it's just too boring.
I cannot stand it any longer, I'm gonna join Facebook. Adios
 

Steward of the Rock

Well-Known Member
I give up! I'm done. I'm wasting time using reason and logic in an attempt to reach the unreachable. Labor good, management bad. The capitalist corporation should just surrender to the socialist union. All profits should be divided among the employees. The wealthy should invest their money for the sole purpose of creating jobs that overpay and underwork. The CEO is not worth $10 million a year for overseeing a nationwide operation that employs tens of thousands. However, a linehaul driver who can't spell or produce a correctly structured sentence ( read some of the posts on TB ) is worth a compensation package, wages and benefits of nearly $200,000.
It's obviously the hard working Teamsters that made ABF profitable and successful while the indolent managers were having three martini lunches and padding their portfolios with stock options. Those same ( they are all the same, seniority is the only difference ) Teamsters were unable to save the other 600+ companies.
YRC is on life support because of management. The only thing to do is fire all the managers and let the union run the company.
You win. The stress is too much. I will sit and watch as you implode and your jobs disappear. Once again, I will retire. TB will be very boring without me.
Boy, for someone who is giving up, you sure had a lot to say. :lmao::lmao::lmao:
 

LS2Silver

It's survival in the city.
There will be clues. Longer tractor service intervals, smaller tire banks at large terminals and none at the smaller ones. Fewer mechanics. Keeping power units longer and putting more miles on them. Combining terminals to create more direct load opportunities and reduce breakbulk costs. Meet turns leading to all turns to reduce and eliminate motels and layover expense.
Same with the dock operation. Older forklifts with less maintenance. Ragged yard horses. No building maintenance. Lights out that don't get fixed. No cardboard dunnage. Potholes in the yards and an end to snow removal.
Before there was Yellow-Roadway Corp., Big R sold nearly all their pups to a leasing company and then rented them back. They created an infusion of cash out of thin air.
We have differing opinions, but you are a smart guy. Pay attention and you will see it slowly creeping up on you.
Maybe i need to work at ABF because what you described is FedEx mostly:biglaugh:
 

Hookman

Just passing thru
Premium
I give up! I'm done. I'm wasting time using reason and logic in an attempt to reach the unreachable. Labor good, management bad. The capitalist corporation should just surrender to the socialist union. All profits should be divided among the employees. The wealthy should invest their money for the sole purpose of creating jobs that overpay and underwork. The CEO is not worth $10 million a year for overseeing a nationwide operation that employs tens of thousands. However, a linehaul driver who can't spell or produce a correctly structured sentence ( read some of the posts on TB ) is worth a compensation package, wages and benefits of nearly $200,000.
It's obviously the hard working Teamsters that made ABF profitable and successful while the indolent managers were having three martini lunches and padding their portfolios with stock options. Those same ( they are all the same, seniority is the only difference ) Teamsters were unable to save the other 600+ companies.
YRC is on life support because of management. The only thing to do is fire all the managers and let the union run the company.
You win. The stress is too much. I will sit and watch as you implode and your jobs disappear. Once again, I will retire. TB will be very boring without me.
Is this where I'm supposed to start crying? :crybaby:
 
Really, I don't work for abf, but they are the most profitable freight company in the business,...wow, think of what they pay per employee, before you come back with odf,fex,...think before you call someone doomed

Not anywhere close. They’ve yet to hit a sub 90s OR this millennium while ALL( sans YELL) the public traded carriers are mid 80s and ODFL will likely go sub 70 in the 3rd quarter.

ABF isn’t doomed in the near term…relatively low debt, some cash and making money. BUT among the big carriers, they’re the 2nd weakest hand. Now that takes a long time to shake out…but the results, financials, are all there to be viewed. And once YELL buckles ABFS becomes the weakest hand.
 
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