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Fly-by-night said:
A union IS it's members. So in fact the union did allow this. Union members are always saying we have a voice and a say. Well they used there say and voice when they voted for it. If they voted or as you to lazy to vote. You are fast to remind us working at non union shop that we have no voice because we are non union. Well hate to say it but suck it up because you had a voice and failed to us it.
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In normal context and as you expressed it in the post I responded to, people usually mean union leadership when they refer to the "Union". They would say "members" or "membership" when referring to rank-and-file. So if it makes you feel better by splitting hairs then go ahead, so be it. Absolutely the membership accepted those conditions and as I've stated it was an unfair situation at the time since the people voting weren't affected by the very thing they were voting on. And in the end, at least we got to have a vote even if we collectively voted the wrong way as opposed to you who has absolutely no say in your working conditions. One point for Teamsters, zero points for you. :smile new:
 
outlaw88 said:
Question? shouldn't they laid-off the full-time dock workers first? I got laid- off this morning. I was with ODFL for 22 years and was gone from ODFL for about 4 years. Got took off the pay roll not fired (long story nothing under my control I didn't do anything wrong) so now i came back in APRIL and from my understanding I had nothing to worry about my job was OK. I was working the dock when I came back in to get my hours so i thought everything was ok. PLUS I was just asked to be a driver trainer a well. JUST MY TWO CENTS THATS ALL
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They don't want to pay 4 weeks vacation so they cut you
 
Triplex said:
In normal context and as you expressed it in the post I responded to, people usually mean union leadership when they refer to the "Union". They would say "members" or "membership" when referring to rank-and-file. So if it makes you feel better by splitting hairs then go ahead, so be it. Absolutely the membership accepted those conditions and as I've stated it was an unfair situation at the time since the people voting weren't affected by the very thing they were voting on. And in the end, at least we got to have a vote even if we collectively voted the wrong way as opposed to you who has absolutely no say in your working conditions. One point for Teamsters, zero points for you. :smile new:
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So an unfair union situation is better than…
 
Fly-by-night said:
A union IS it's members. So in fact the union did allow this. Union members are always saying we have a voice and a say. Well they used there say and voice when they voted for it. If they voted or as you to lazy to vote. You are fast to remind us working at non union shop that we have no voice because we are non union. Well hate to say it but suck it up because you had a voice and failed to us it.
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406 for twenty years(as you all know). Teamster “leadership” as your friend puts it, is nothing more than management. Do very little whilst expecting the most from you. I’m currently a non Line driver and feel like I’m the Steward. We have a handbook of company policies that neither side is aware of. As a U BA or the like, put a little effort into your members. The newbies of today take what they get & oh well. If the IBT wants to grow, get off your ass and encourage members. My kid was a city employee and immediately following his hiring, his rep was there to let him know EVERYTHING. IMO, those wanting a union, should seriously look at creating one.
 
ABF381 said:
In this instance I would have to say yes....what about with the country? Many people are unhappy with how others voted, should we end all voting and just go to a dictatorship? I think not....
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Apples & oranges to me. I was on the wronged side of a “divide to win” contract. This was my interpretation of the post I replied to. “The people voting weren’t affected by what they were voting on” WTF is that. We’ve all been subject to certain terms our bargaining committee traded for themselves. Just kind of proves my point(in my mind). Without solidarity, there is no union. The ABF crowd has earned my respect on the matters, BTW. You guys seem to have it together.
 
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White said:
Apples & oranges to me. I was on the wronged side of a “divide to win” contract. This was my interpretation of the post I replied to.
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Ok I get it...and I don't like pay progression myself....still I don't see it as apples and oranges though...
White said:
406 for twenty years(as you all know). Teamster “leadership” as your friend puts it, is nothing more than management. Do very little whilst expecting the most from you. I’m currently a non Line driver and feel like I’m the Steward. We have a handbook of company policies that neither side is aware of. As a U BA or the like, put a little effort into your members. The newbies of today take what they get & oh well. If the IBT wants to grow, get off your ass and encourage members. My kid was a city employee and immediately following his hiring, his rep was there to let him know EVERYTHING. IMO, those wanting a union, should seriously look at creating one.
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Teamster leadership has done that themselves (comparing themselves to management) not all though....while i don't always agree with my BA, I think she does her best.....as far as a company handbook, if you try fighting using that, there is not one thing to stop them from saying no and changing it, or saying you are "interpreting it wrong"...
 
ABF381 said:
Ok I get it...and I don't like pay progression myself....still I don't see it as apples and oranges though...

Teamster leadership has done that themselves (comparing themselves to management) not all though....while i don't always agree with my BA, I think she does her best.....as far as a company handbook, if you try fighting using that, there is not one thing to stop them from saying no and changing it, or saying you are "interpreting it wrong"...
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PM’d you. OD forum not the place for U vs non.
 
White said:
Apples & oranges to me. I was on the wronged side of a “divide to win” contract. This was my interpretation of the post I replied to. “The people voting weren’t affected by what they were voting on” WTF is that. We’ve all been subject to certain terms our bargaining committee traded for themselves. Just kind of proves my point(in my mind). Without solidarity, there is no union. The ABF crowd has earned my respect on the matters, BTW. You guys seem to have it together.
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Let me try to help you understand "WTF is that". The democratic principles we have are a form of self determination, we get to have a say, through our votes, on conditions that affect us - pay, benefits, etc. - in the contract. Having a vote on reduced pay for new hires is, in my opinion, the antithesis of the democratic way since the people voting aren't voting on something that affects them, rather it's something that only affects new hires who never got a vote in the matter. That's not the same thing as "terms our bargaining committee traded for themselves". That condition is similar to how our democratic republic (the US) operates. We elect officials to represent us and they make the rules for us.
 
Brassballs said:
I'm trying to understand why you would want a big chunk back?
Why don't you adjust your withholding so you would get more per week on your check?
Then just take that extra and put it into a regular savings account at the least.
Why let the gov use your extra money all year for free?
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Or open an IRA, there are ways to have money directly sent in to an IRA straight from your paycheck.

I mean after adjusting your withholding stated in the above post.
 
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nctruckin said:
ain't going to happen. It'll continue to get worse the more the cheaters 'cheat'. Hate to be honest, but get ready for 'Democratic Socialism' as it's literally right around the corner. Funny how I did my taxes(ALWAYS make a big chunk back since I pay more for a refund) the other day. Wife and I are 'considered' middle class in NC....well, we are only getting HALF back(even with 2 kids) since we a) half to pay for this 'proxy war' with Russia, and b) all the 'migrants'(illegals) wanting free crap! I'm just happy if I can survive through this with a job I worked so hard to get. smh Looks like there won't be a 'middle class' within the next 5 years, unlike what the media is saying(DemoRATS are 'for' the middle class).
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I hate dems myself but the republicans made the current tax code (they are idiots also)
 
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