Docker, the concessions kept your pension increases going, and ABF/ArcBest was going to diversify regardless.....so you must agree that ArcBest can idle "paid for" ABF, just like putting your pickup in the garage and keep the corporate lights on with the subsidiaries until the dust settles "so to speak" Sounds like they're not going to suffer too badly, you know Judy and her friends, but these ABF Teamsters may take a hit, but we will win in the end...or wind up with at least something in the end...oops, poor choice of words there. Been nice chatting with ya, but I'm fixing to go fishing for a while this afternoon....see if I can get a strike...you gonna bring the grill down to the picket line and cook them folks a hot dog while they try to protect your pension?
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I'm saying they all have a (spin) job to do. When you have a job to do, you have to do it well, or at least pretend convincingly :-) Bye now, I gotta rig up a pole.
There you go again... avoiding my questions and trying to change the subject again. How about answering my damn questions!
1. Just what subsidiaries are you talking about? Do you mean Panther... the company they bought after they came for the concessions in 2010 that Ernie pleaded for or do you mean the other 3 companies they bought after Ernie negotiated the concessionary contract along with pleading for the members to accept?
2. Are you saying that Ernie and the boys were full of crap and tried getting the ABF Teamsters to accept concessions that weren't needed in 2010?
3. Would you call that looking out for what was in the best interest's of the ABF Teamsters in 2010?
4. How was Ernie looking out for you in 2010?
Speak up... I can't hear you!!! You are the one that said some pretty smart folks have it all figured out so let's hear it!!! Or is it that they are keeping it a secret amongst themselves?
So... it's their job to lie to you? Is that what you pay them for? To spin it in such a way as to not frighten you?
Is that what you are saying? Speak up... I can't hear you?
You may want to reach around and take that pole that Ernie just shoved up in you first... it will be a lot more comfortable while you're fishing... just saying.
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NO UNION FOOL, you know docker even the man has limits, keep taking tour meds or you are going to get banded again.
You know docker the dirty little secret amongst teamsters is the difference in pensions, and how much the company pays in weekly.
CSPF gets $8.55 an hour, Upstate New York conference of Teamsters pert near $14.00 an hour. With a correspondently different amount of monthly pension! Naturally all these special teamsters, with their MEGA pensions, want them bailed out with their own special supplement to the contract. Should an ABF employee vote no on the contract, because the special teamsters didn't get their bailout supplement? I asked super teamster CANARY, if he could provide the differences in teamster pensions and how much is paid in. Usually Canary can whip any statistic right out of his ass, except when a statistic makes him look like an ass.
The take home is ABF is the last dinosaur in the NMFA, seems like intelligent people would say maybe we have been doing something wrong in LTL. The bottom line is with wages, pension and health care combined the cost of labor for ABF is more than any non union company.
The country is way past due for a cyclic down turn in the economy. Maybe next week the CDL driver shortage will turn into a glut.
How about some transparency, have Ernie provide a list of total compensation paid per local unit. then you could talk about pension envy. Canary, docker/NO UNION FOOL, GO40 how much more in pension benefits do you get over CSPF?
You know docker the dirty little secret amongst teamsters is the difference in pensions, and how much the company pays in weekly.
CSPF gets $8.55 an hour, Upstate New York conference of Teamsters pert near $14.00 an hour. With a correspondently different amount of monthly pension! Naturally all these special teamsters, with their MEGA pensions, want them bailed out with their own special supplement to the contract. Should an ABF employee vote no on the contract, because the special teamsters didn't get their bailout supplement? I asked super teamster CANARY, if he could provide the differences in teamster pensions and how much is paid in. Usually Canary can whip any statistic right out of his ass, except when a statistic makes him look like an ass.
The take home is ABF is the last dinosaur in the NMFA, seems like intelligent people would say maybe we have been doing something wrong in LTL. The bottom line is with wages, pension and health care combined the cost of labor for ABF is more than any non union company.
The country is way past due for a cyclic down turn in the economy. Maybe next week the CDL driver shortage will turn into a glut.
How about some transparency, have Ernie provide a list of total compensation paid per local unit. then you could talk about pension envy. Canary, docker/NO UNION FOOL, GO40 how much more in pension benefits do you get over CSPF?
Do you want to know a dirty little secret about a member on this site. Once upon a time there's this bubba gump guy you see..... that secretly wants to see hundreds of thousands of hard working Teamsters and their families face financial ruin. No one can say for sure why... but the rumor is that a Teamster pissed in his corn flakes one day many years ago at the asylum at which he resides.
So he finds this internet trucking site and sets out on a mission to be a nuisance to every Teamster... even claiming that he... himself was a 30 year Teamster. Yes... he's delusional but determined just the same. Well anyway... the dumb ass forgot that he stated his real age of 34 on his profile and you should of seen the childish tantrum poor bubba threw when he was shown to be the liar he really was. He said he never felt so violated and humiliated in all his life... when yet... another Teamster just went and pissed in his corn flakes once again.
So now... some members claim to see bubba running around late at night wandering aimlessly trying to figure out a way to get back into the discussions now that everyone just considers him to be nothing but a sadistic... lying... paranoid schizophrenic... imposter.
That's some people's kids for you... you can dress them up but you can't take them anywhere!
like I have observed before, Turncoat, will you be able to make your payments on the new double wide, bass boat, and tricked out pickup? No problem with me being laid off or ABF shutting the doors...,
hey Bubba, it must be getting very testy at Judy's lunch table? You seem to know so much about the inner workings..no doubt in my mind that you work at the Fart in labor relations..you know it all
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Real Teamsters/ Good Americans/ Christians just have to laugh at you docker. 73 multi employer pension funds, full of union brothers and sisters, have gone bankrupt, for decades docker you did nothing to assist them. Shame on you docker. only when your ox was being gored did you say anything. An your solution to the problem, **** the taxpayer.
Docker doodle do, even people who despise me on this forum, can agree with me it is smart to hide my identity. docker you have been voted, poster most likely to become a stalker.
docker to think multi employer pension funds are going to get a bailout. after 73 have already gone bankrupt, is truly evidence you are a lunatic.
lets get back to this thread docker, Ernie is right, when comparing total compensation between ABF and non union carriers it is lunacy to think ABF can compete in the market place. If ABF employees got comparable wages on top of massive pension contributions. as you know docker the majority of those pension contributions go to other people.
legacy cost are going to suppress wages for some time docker. the important thing though is you got yours!
remember go to "pension tsunami" website to inform yourself.
also Canary is it true some teamsters are more equal than others, as a socialist, i thought you would appreciate that reference to animal farm.
Docker doodle do, even people who despise me on this forum, can agree with me it is smart to hide my identity. docker you have been voted, poster most likely to become a stalker.
docker to think multi employer pension funds are going to get a bailout. after 73 have already gone bankrupt, is truly evidence you are a lunatic.
lets get back to this thread docker, Ernie is right, when comparing total compensation between ABF and non union carriers it is lunacy to think ABF can compete in the market place. If ABF employees got comparable wages on top of massive pension contributions. as you know docker the majority of those pension contributions go to other people.
legacy cost are going to suppress wages for some time docker. the important thing though is you got yours!
remember go to "pension tsunami" website to inform yourself.
also Canary is it true some teamsters are more equal than others, as a socialist, i thought you would appreciate that reference to animal farm.
Not that it's really any of your business, but the stuff I possess is paid for
Real Teamsters/ Good Americans/ Christians just have to laugh at you docker. 73 multi employer pension funds, full of union brothers and sisters, have gone bankrupt, for decades docker you did nothing to assist them. Shame on you docker. only when your ox was being gored did you say anything. An your solution to the problem,the taxpayer.
Docker doodle do, even people who despise me on this forum, can agree with me it is smart to hide my identity. docker you have been voted, poster most likely to become a stalker.
docker to think multi employer pension funds are going to get a bailout. after 73 have already gone bankrupt, is truly evidence you are a lunatic.
lets get back to this thread docker, Ernie is right, when comparing total compensation between ABF and non union carriers it is lunacy to think ABF can compete in the market place. If ABF employees got comparable wages on top of massive pension contributions. as you know docker the majority of those pension contributions go to other people.
legacy cost are going to suppress wages for some time docker. the important thing though is you got yours!
remember go to "pension tsunami" website to inform yourself.
also Canary is it true some teamsters are more equal than others, as a socialist, i thought you would appreciate that reference to animal farm.
What would you know about real Teamsters... good Americans or Christians?
And for the record... me Teamster... you lunatic.
And we sure can't forget about all your other attributes that makes that special nuisance in all our lives... seeing that you are also a sadistic... lying... paranoid schizophrenic... imposter. In other words... you have it all... what any troll could ever hope to accomplish. Congratulations... your dream has finally come true... you can now proudly say that you pissed in your own corn flakes... thank you very much.
Maybe now that you just came off that fishing trip... you can answer my questions since you had plenty of time to think...
Or are you just going to continue to simply ignore them?
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Having read "Animal Farm" by Eric Blair about 38 years ago,....apparently before you were born,.......I can still remember the quote, and the context it was posed in.......
The context was a vote,.....and some of the "animals" were trying to force an outcome on the other....."animals"......Not based on facts or debate,....but by fear and pressure.....
The vote was being artificially "manipulated"....Can I see parallels to today's ABF contract vote? Certainly,........You, yourself, seem to remind me of "Squealer",......the pig that spreads propaganda....
Many of us have been on this site,....and others, for years, working for justice for our fellow employees........You've just seemed to have popped up,...out of who knows where,.......armed with a pile of......faulty facts and skewed statistics,........and an arrogance unbecoming to such a young person as yourself.......
If I truly believed you were honestly concerned with the future viability of MEPFs,.....which so many of us are involved with,.......I would debate and listen to your..........reasoned and measured arguments........
But,.....you've lost all veracity with me, when you engage in scathing scatalogical and personal vituperation,..........and gloating wishes of financial ruin from collapses of pension funds. Do you truly wish ill on your.....so-called "fellow" employees?
Mr. Jack Dean's "Pension Tsunami",.........that you cite so often as a source,.......can be viewed as a conservative site purely to deflect blame away from Wall Street,....for any financial misdeeds,.....and the resultant misery,........that would be caused by high-powered,...(and highly-connected)....traders and investors bending and violating financial rules for their own benefit.
Whether you truly believe Mr. Dean is a "voice crying in the wilderness".......or a Wall Street - financed wolf in sheep's clothing,.........would be up to your interpretation of Mr. Dean's "solution"...........More 401(k)'s For All! A Wall Street wet dream......
I've noticed you've said nothing about the most widely accepted rescue of MEPFs,.....That would be the Butch Lewis Act, S. 2147,...H.R.4444..
I would imagine you deride that as a "government bailout",...........when it is actually a low-interest loan arraingment........Totally different than the actual Wall Street bailout using TARP funds as grants to purchase banker's bad debts.
Of which I'm sure you approve,........They're....Bankers......Much more important than mere ....truckdrivers.....
Try a few more other literary references on me, Mr. B. Gump,.........This can be entertaining.......
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CAT got your tongue Canary, you gave no response. Canary how many ABF jobs is it acceptable to lose permanently by going on strike. Canary when are you going to step up to the plate, tell the ABF drivers, ABF can't stay in business. Paying massive pension contributions AND FEDEX freight wages. IT'S math CANARY, am I right or do you have that special "socialist math" that proves me wrong.
Drivers will have no problem getting a job of equal pay, you on the other hand will not fair so well....
Here's some food for thought for those who haven't already made up their mind...
Ernie and the company both recommended everyone to accept the 2010 begback... the 2013 ABF NMFA and now... once again... this 2018 proposal.
Would that 2010... 15% wage cut been good for the ABF Teamsters if it was accepted? Was it actually needed like both sides claimed it was?
Was the 2013 ABF NMFA good the ABF Teamsters? Was it actually needed like both sides claimed it was?
How much has Judy spent on those 4 non union companies since taking over in 2010. What all has she been doing to expand ABF Freight since she took over in 2010? How much has she taken from ABF Freight since she took over in 2010?
What has history shown you when both... Ernie and ArcBest teams up to get an agreement passed? What makes anyone think that 2018 will be any different? Just look at the predicament ABF Freight finds itself in now...not ArcBest... all because of the new found friendship that started in 2010 with the IBT and Arcbest. What will it be like in 5 more years if the contract passes like it is right now?
I have news for everyone... Ernie is a far cry from being an ABF Teamsters friend!!!
Ernie and the company both recommended everyone to accept the 2010 begback... the 2013 ABF NMFA and now... once again... this 2018 proposal.
Would that 2010... 15% wage cut been good for the ABF Teamsters if it was accepted? Was it actually needed like both sides claimed it was?
Was the 2013 ABF NMFA good the ABF Teamsters? Was it actually needed like both sides claimed it was?
How much has Judy spent on those 4 non union companies since taking over in 2010. What all has she been doing to expand ABF Freight since she took over in 2010? How much has she taken from ABF Freight since she took over in 2010?
What has history shown you when both... Ernie and ArcBest teams up to get an agreement passed? What makes anyone think that 2018 will be any different? Just look at the predicament ABF Freight finds itself in now...not ArcBest... all because of the new found friendship that started in 2010 with the IBT and Arcbest. What will it be like in 5 more years if the contract passes like it is right now?
I have news for everyone... Ernie is a far cry from being an ABF Teamsters friend!!!
Tell me... just what's with you and all this fascination and preoccupation you have when it comes to Canary? Do you realize that you just said his name 4 times in this short paragraph? Tell me... do you look upon him as a father figure or do you just admire the man and wish he would respect you as much as you do him?
Here's some advice... just calm down a bit and quit pleading with him to recognize you and if he thinks that you are worthy of some recognition... he will eventually give it to you...Ok? That's the problem with you kids today... you have no patience... you always want and demand things right now.
And here's another little piece of advice... badgering someone to get their approval like you did here with... "am I right Canary... C'mon Canary am I right... you know I'm right Canary"... isn't helping in getting that recognition that you are so desperately seeking one bit.
there hasn' been a increase in the amount paid to Centrals states since 2010. So how did Ernie help us again?