ABF Medicare For All

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  1. Overcomer662

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    I heard that under Bernie Sanders Medicare for All plan, he would force companies to pay to employees salary what they were paying towards healthcare plans. That would be a huge pay increase.
     
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    can you imagine what that Hillary won, we'd have to look at her pants suits every day...not sure if Nancy Pelosi or Elizabeth "Pocohantas" Warren wears pants suits exclusively like Hillary..and Berney and Joe's memory is so bad, they forgot they were running for office...to be continued...
     
  3. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    At one time ABF proposed listing pension and H & W payments on each individual employee’s W-2 statement as “compensation”.
    You would have to write off your healthcare expenses at the end of the year. Might’ve been a good thing.........most people have no clue what insurance companies charge for “healthcare”.....
    And you could include all your co-pays and incidentals.........making it well worth your while to file medical expenses as a deduction....

    I believe that Medicare for All would be paid either by the increased compensation the companies pay to employees instead of the insurance companies.........or they will figure out that the employer contribution would go directly to Medicare,.....instead of sundry other insurance companies.
    No more COBRA Act notice if you get laid off.....or fired......You still have insurance through Medicare
     
  4. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    At least none of those candidates are using the Constitution as toilet paper..........like some “elected” officials we know.....

    Really though,.......this should be on the Political thread.....
     
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    I agree..won't post on this again...
     
  6. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Thanks, Brother..........We all get along pretty good on here, and we appreciate differing points of view.

    And we've always enjoyed your insights.....
     
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  7. Puff Driver

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    Great deal, if you don't mind income tax rates in the 80% range PLUS a Euro Value Added Tax around 24% or so.
    You will need the extra $$$$ to pay for all of this free healthcare.
    Oh and just like with Medicare you need to buy your own supplemental insurance or like in Europe you buy your own healthcare insurance because the free one stinks.... or you wait weeks for non emergency care....
    But it's free......
     
  8. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Well,......We’ll have to see about all those figures. At any rate,.....it’s inevitable.....If not this election cycle,....then surely by the next. The current health care system....in the hands of insurance companies......is unsustainable.
    And expensive.......
    And wildly inefficient.......

    But,.....one of the reasons the major employers are fighting tooth’n’nail to prevent any healthcare change,...and are pushing to return to pre-Obamacare days......is because of their control of the labor force’s health insurance. It's a....little hard....to speak up at work, when your boss holds the welfare of your family in the greasy palm of his hand.......Employers love that...uhh...."subtle"...means of control.....
    Which doesn't happen in European and Canadian countries..........Remember the big transit strikes in France last summer? Most Union guys here are terrified of losing their health insurance by potentially risking a strike.

    A debate about Medicare for All shouldn't be....political. It affects Republicans and Democrats.......But remember,.....The large employers and the even larger insurance companies have a vested interest in returning "healthcare" back to,..as I said, pre-Obamacare days. So,....you've got to look at some of the "information" they put out with a jaundiced eye.

    Canada has had National Health Care since 1984,..Great Britain has had the National Health System since 1948....Germany's healthcare system dates back to 1883, with the last major change happening in 1973.
    Germany spent 10.7% of their GDP on healthcare,...compared to the United State's 15.9% of GDP.

    If those health care systems were so....terrible.....you'd think they would've changed them,...The British and Germans are at least as smart as us, I would think.

    There are vested interests in this country who are making money and power by controlling the health care of our nation. When someone tells you how "rotten" European healthcare is........do some research. They may be telling you that for a..reason. Their own pocketbook.....

    Medicare for All might not be the best "fit" for our country,......But it's damn sure a far better solution than the current one. We should ignore the special interests who are making....billions off our backs by charging our employers,..(.sometimes kicking back money TO the employers...)...an exorbitant fee for annoying, inefficient, arrogant, desultory....health "care"....

    The money has become far more important than the.....Health...
    The United States is ranked 43rd in Life Expectancy,.....Below all of those countries with....National Health Plans.

    That should raise the question of the.....efficiency....of our current system.
     
  9. SAC75

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    Everyone is fat here because we make money. Giving money to people who don’t work or that doesn’t pay into the system is retarded. Make a system that is equal pay and I might think about it. Government controlled insurance means picking who lives or dies. I don’t like it.
     
  10. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Well,.......I'm on Medicare.......Should I start looking at coffin brochures?
    Even though I'm a veteran,........I'm told I make too much to apply for VA.....

    The equal pay for all seems to be the way Medicare is run. There are people who don't have the means to pay what I can afford to pay,.........yet we all get Medicare......

    And if we're all fat here because we're all.....making money.......then I would think it's a moot point to say that only people who can afford to eat like a glutton can get healthcare.....
    And all you skinny anorexic people who are starving because you can't make money.....
    Well....you don't get no healthcare.......

    I think there's a better way,.......and I think access to healthcare is a Right......not a means-based test .
     
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  11. SAC75

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    I agree that there is a better way but taking my better healthcare because I work and sacrifice my time so someone else that doesn’t work can get Medicare is ridiculous. To pay for something that the unemployed by choice or non-citizen is asinine.
     
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  13. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    I respect your Opinion.......But, I always ask guys the famous "percentage" question.....

    What is your estimate of the people who,..in your opinion,..(i.e.: undocumented, lazy, scamming the system, etc,...) are not deserving of Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security/Welfare...?

    Would you say .....20%?.....30%?.....40%?...

    Well, then.....if we end those various programs to eliminate the lazy and undocumented,..........what about the other 50%,60%,70% of people who actually need those programs......The programs created for that very specific need?

    Remember that Big Business loves a....large and desperate Labor Pool. They always lower wages during a time of high unemployment, and cut social benefits.......Adam Smith,...the economist, wrote about this in 1776 in his book "The Wealth of Nations"........a widely revered capitalist Bible if there ever was one.

    In My Opinion,.......there seems to be a push to convince working people that........no social programs are needed. The beneficiary for that would be...the employers. Cut the wages, cut the benefits,...people are lining up to work as cheaply as possible,....because there's no alternative.

    I would agree with you, though.....that there is a lot of.....waste and abuse in the system..Much of it goes to corporate entities.....And, I guess, Welfare Queens......

    All that means is that there should be a better alternative to the "healthcare" we're getting now.......and a good start would be to get the insurance companies out of the "healthcare" business. And if that means creating Medicare for All, and putting them in competition with the Government...(..when they have no real competition now...).....
    ....then I say: Go for It!
     
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    .001% and if you believe propaganda its 30%
     
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    Remember 100% of Democrats running for President in 2020 raised their hands for free healthcare for Illegal Immigrants...
    Of course you peasants who work, can pay 81% income tax like European Middle Class Citizens and then pay 24% Value Added Tax on everything you purchase after you already pay 81%.....
    That is how European free healthcare is paid for...
    Then Socialist nations like Denmark shut down 25% of the hospitals across the entire nation because they cannot afford the current healthcare costs..
    Oh and those rich folks in Socialist Europe. they escape to America for healthcare. Waiting 6 weeks for a CT scan is for peasants who get free healthcare.... Not for rich Euro folks.... But why America????
    Yes almost every working American has their employer pay the lions share of their healthcare costs.
    May I suggest we stop allowing lawyers like Democrat John Edwards to earn over $1 BILLION for himself while suing doctors??? Maybe that can begin lowering healthcare costs?? That may be a small step in the right direction...
     
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    Those that believe will be cheering and clapping there hands until reality sets in and either the rich get soaked ONE time and pull there money out of the US or Congress does not agree and votes in down.
     
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  18. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Guys.....

    Once again,....there’s a whole forum on Truckingboards where you can vent about political things that haven’t happened yet.....

    If there’s something that pertains to the healthcare provisions of the contract.......this is the place....

    If it’s about scaremongering.....by either Political party,......about what will,..or won’t.....happen when So-and-So gets elected..or re-elected.....
    That don’t do us any good here.

    We’re United here.....in that we’re trying to raise the company’s blood pressure........Not each other’s.......
     
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  19. ED FORCE ONE

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    Post some of what people are getting for free. i want to see it post a article from somebody who gets everything free i want
    to see what they get for free that makes their life so great and makes you so jealous
     
  20. SAC75

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    They want insurance buy it themselves or get a job that supplies it. That’s why I drive. I don’t want to be a truck driver at all. It pays my bills and supplies me insurance. I don’t want to pay for freeloaders. You want articles look them up yourself. I’m not your mommy.
     

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