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Trying to find the complete rules on this . I thaught it was set up they had one year to get a cdl after getting hired . I could not find anything in the master freight agreement. We have three non cdl drivers. I could be wrong on this just seeing if anyone has more knowledge on this .
 
If it's a commercial Vehicle working for the company hauling 26001 or greater cargo weight by GVWR or GCVWR the driver has to be CDL. Any combination vehicle has to be a A License.

If they do not possess a CDL within a company, you cannot put them to work in the "Big stuff" defined above in my first sentence here.

Your Company's HR or Safety Director or higher will certainly know more details if any. You can stick a non CDL driver in a little 350 v8 triton Panel Van hauling a ton or less than 14 people etc. (More than 15 equals P endorsement)

That's all it is from my end looking overall. There are certain situations in which DOT makes pretty clear what is required to have with a driver in a given vehicle that meets the weight class or is a combination running in commercial service hauling cargo or people for a living.
 
1984Sideways said:
If it's a commercial Vehicle working for the company hauling 26001 or greater cargo weight by GVWR or GCVWR the driver has to be CDL. Any combination vehicle has to be a A License.

If they do not possess a CDL within a company, you cannot put them to work in the "Big stuff" defined above in my first sentence here.

Your Company's HR or Safety Director or higher will certainly know more details if any. You can stick a non CDL driver in a little 350 v8 triton Panel Van hauling a ton or less than 14 people etc. (More than 15 equals P endorsement)

That's all it is from my end looking overall. There are certain situations in which DOT makes pretty clear what is required to have with a driver in a given vehicle that meets the weight class or is a combination running in commercial service hauling cargo or people for a living.
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Thanks but that's not really what I was looking fo I wanted to know what Yellow rules are for this position
 
Linhaul forever said:
Thanks but that's not really what I was looking fo I wanted to know what Yellow rules are for this position
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I work at Holland. We have about a dozen Non CDL box truck drivers at our terminal. I think they have been there about a year and a half. Still hiring. I never heard they have to get CDL. Some want to but has not happened yet. They work the dock a lot too.
 
rainman1318 said:
If they joined the union and are paying dues..does it matter?
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I personally don't mind it too much. But there is something to the argument against it.
They can be used against seniority due to schedule.
Ours start at noon.
And their bids are those trucks.
Those start at noon. Senior guys can't have that start time.
And they don't have our payrate. Cheaper pay also can be used against seniority.
Plus they can't go to HAZMAT customers.
That makes for more special treatment.
Guys don't like that they get good pay and a start time without having to get HAZMAT.
We pay for ours.


I prefer we all get the same pay.
City. Dock. Straight truck. Road.

That avoids a lot of violations and bitching.
 
slavenomore said:
I personally don't mind it too much. But there is something to the argument against it.
They can be used against seniority due to schedule.
Ours start at noon.
And their bids are those trucks.
Those start at noon. Senior guys can't have that start time.
And they don't have our payrate. Cheaper pay also can be used against seniority.
Plus they can't go to HAZMAT customers.
That makes for more special treatment.
Guys don't like that they get good pay and a start time without having to get HAZMAT.
We pay for ours.


I prefer we all get the same pay.
City. Dock. Straight truck. Road.

That avoids a lot of violations and bitching.
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Do senior guys want to drive a small truck and deliver residential and undesirable stops every day. When I was still working there were guys on OB dock. No CDL because of health problem or DUI. That got to bid and made same as guys with CDL.And stayed on seniority list.
 
rainman1318 said:
Do senior guys want to drive a small truck and deliver residential and undesirable stops every day. When I was still working there were guys on OB dock. No CDL because of health problem or DUI. That got to bid and made same as guys with CDL.And stayed on seniority list.
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It doesn't matter if they want to drive the small truck. What matters is brand new guys or low on the list guys have noon bids. Because that is when those bids are.

No. Most guys do not want the truck.
The bid time and seniority is an issue.
Guys with maybe 5 years seniority over them get stuck with later start times with less driving and more dock time.
Our medical guys hold their seniority for dock but our dock has no bid times. On-call only. So those guys are more senior and get called in earliest.
 
rainman1318 said:
Do senior guys want to drive a small truck and deliver residential and undesirable stops every day. When I was still working there were guys on OB dock. No CDL because of health problem or DUI. That got to bid and made same as guys with CDL.And stayed on seniority list.
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Non CDL drivers make $2.00 per hour less.
 
slavenomore said:
It doesn't matter if they want to drive the small truck. What matters is brand new guys or low on the list guys have noon bids. Because that is when those bids are.

No. Most guys do not want the truck.
The bid time and seniority is an issue.
Guys with maybe 5 years seniority over them get stuck with later start times with less driving and more dock time.
Our medical guys hold their seniority for dock but our dock has no bid times. On-call only. So those guys are more senior and get called in earliest.
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By us non CDL drivers are on an 8:00 am bid which is also the shape time for CDL drivers who did not make a bid because every CDL driver has to work before the non CDL driver can be used.
 
slavenomore said:
I personally don't mind it too much. But there is something to the argument against it.
They can be used against seniority due to schedule.
Ours start at noon.
And their bids are those trucks.
Those start at noon. Senior guys can't have that start time.
And they don't have our payrate. Cheaper pay also can be used against seniority.
Plus they can't go to HAZMAT customers.
That makes for more special treatment.
Guys don't like that they get good pay and a start time without having to get HAZMAT.
We pay for ours.


I prefer we all get the same pay.
City. Dock. Straight truck. Road.

That avoids a lot of violations and bitching.
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That is the definition of socialism, "all labor is of equal value." Ridiculous!
A guy moving brown boxes across the dock, a guy that can be replaced by a college kid casual, is not worth as much as a professional, licensed, medically certified, hazardous material qualified driver. The guy driving a straight truck is not worth as much as the triples qualified driver.
A nurse is not worth as much as a doctor.
 
Razorblade said:
That is the definition of socialism, "all labor is of equal value." Ridiculous!
A guy moving brown boxes across the dock, a guy that can be replaced by a college kid casual, is not worth as much as a professional, licensed, medically certified, hazardous material qualified driver. The guy driving a straight truck is not worth as much as the triples qualified driver.
A nurse is not worth as much as a doctor.
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Have you ever been the guy moving freight across the bumper-less unheated dock on the midnight shift in the brutal cold of winter ?
I have 20 years ago before getting my CDL trust me that guy is valuable.

The guy driving the straight truck taking all the lift gate crap and house deliveries and inside mall deliveries and all those :shit:ty little places the trailer don’t fit he’s valuable to me.
 
Razorblade said:
That is the definition of socialism, "all labor is of equal value." Ridiculous!
A guy moving brown boxes across the dock, a guy that can be replaced by a college kid casual, is not worth as much as a professional, licensed, medically certified, hazardous material qualified driver. The guy driving a straight truck is not worth as much as the triples qualified driver.
A nurse is not worth as much as a doctor.
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I'll give you a A for effort. But this is one item where it's overreach. I'll explain.

Having been in the hospital post surgery, a GOOD NURSE is a literal angel. Ask her for anything at a moment's notice in pain or whatever and it will be taken care of. Even basic human functions etc.

Just try to find a doctor cloistered far in the back behind the Charge Nurse's room and near the drug locker. You wont find a doctor that easily at a moment's notice. They'll let the nurses take care of whatever and rubber stamp the rest.

I'll have the little guy going deep into NYC humping stuff to the top of the empire tower gift shop by elevator 100 times to finish his delivery over any old steering wheel holder lined up at a lumper's office on a big two mile wide cold storage facility.

I was a stack of certified this and that and hazmat too etc etc etc. I deliberately discarded that at the state DMV after a dispatcher bitched at me for going around the city on the HM Bypass instead of zipping through the tunnels. That cost him one hour. Since I knew nothing about his plottings and schemings that hour meant nothing to me as long I did not take that truck and trailer with contents into the tunnels I probably would kill half the city.

And a office logistics phone professional desk driver giving me grief with profanity for his precious lost hour? he can take the HM and stick it. (And so he did.) all of my HM loads despite whatever situations they were came out perfect. If everything else in trucking such as seafood, produce etc came out perfect I would not have left. To be dwelling in heaven far above the hell on earth that is the loading dock in bad weather at 2 am when two people are trying to move a 500 worker factory on cheap wages.

And last, the straight truck. He can do a lot more than most 40 ton 18 wheel steering wheel holders anyday.
 
Keepingon said:
Have you ever been the guy moving freight across the bumper-less unheated dock on the midnight shift in the brutal cold of winter ?
I have 20 years ago before getting my CDL trust me that guy is valuable.

The guy driving the straight truck taking all the lift gate crap and house deliveries and inside mall deliveries and all those ****ty little places the trailer don’t fit he’s valuable to me.
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I just got home. 14 hour straight truck day.
It sucked. I hate that truck. Why should the other guy get paid less?
When I started at NPME all I got was dock for a few years. Worked right next to casuals who could not file grievances.. Paid dues and got paid much less.
I don't go for that.
The payrate can be abused to abuse seniority.
 
Razorblade said:
That is the definition of socialism, "all labor is of equal value." Ridiculous!
A guy moving brown boxes across the dock, a guy that can be replaced by a college kid casual, is not worth as much as a professional, licensed, medically certified, hazardous material qualified driver. The guy driving a straight truck is not worth as much as the triples qualified driver.
A nurse is not worth as much as a doctor.
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I've never been high on my CDL.
If we have much seniority rights left....those payrates infringe.

The LTL'S SHOULD be making money.
And if they are we SHOULD be getting paid well and have good medical benefits and retirement benefits and paid days off.
And there's no reason that a large portion of the company, which is dock.....should be casuals and on a low payrate with no benefits.
Why?
Because if you are worried about socialism....that large chunk then needs it to survive ONTOP of a full time job.
Who makes out on the cheap rate?
The company.

Who pays if they need some kind of assistance to survive? We all do....through taxes.
There is NO reason for that in this business....CDL or no CDL.
 
Razorblade said:
That is the definition of socialism, "all labor is of equal value." Ridiculous!
A guy moving brown boxes across the dock, a guy that can be replaced by a college kid casual, is not worth as much as a professional, licensed, medically certified, hazardous material qualified driver. The guy driving a straight truck is not worth as much as the triples qualified driver.
A nurse is not worth as much as a doctor.
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Yep.....as soon as they came out with the CDL and guys started thinking they were professionals and paid for that licence......the pay went backwards.
 
slavenomore said:
Yep.....as soon as they came out with the CDL and guys started thinking they were professionals and paid for that licence......the pay went backwards.
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If I think back far enough to my Uncle's time (He dated to the Red Ball in WW2 and later into the 50's hauling gas in full semi tanker etc. And finished with small trucks in very specific hauling. Money just overflowed every sunday. He might have had to telegraph (Yes that telegraph) for it weekly and in the end its runneth over. After deregulation I saw my pay go to I think around .24 to 30 at most per mile for 10 years into the 90's Its only when I was elevated to medicines, high dollar loads and other opportunities I finished at near .50 a mile and almost .80 as a husband and wife team. (Same household paid as one driver.) This was 2000.

Fast forward to 2021. I see advertising for .48 to start if you are lucky. Maybe 55 or 60 for old hands with current experience. You cannot hardly do anything with a modern trucks with the computers and clocks and so forth today. That does not stop them from trying.

I always am aware that there is a strong LTL and doubles etc here. Ive done LTL but avoided Doubles on purpose because CF Freightways did not last. I don't know what happened there, they seemed to be a mighty powerhouse outfit as was the old Roadway, into every little place. Poof all gone. *Shrugs.

And the money? Always cutting costs at the company level. I heard that line at 21 and I still hear it again at near 55. Who are they kidding? Tractors and trailers have tripled or quadrupled in retail value over that period of time. And the drivers get paid less. and less.

Some will call me a liar. However I attribute that to not being alive long enough to see that .45 or whatever per mile today is less than that 20+ years ago.
 
One day on the Baltimore Docks which is Union and pretty strong, I was given a opportunity to become a part of it at a rather young age. I believe if I did take it with the position of the Docks being important to the City and the State I probably would have done extremely well there with all three. I don't recall why I did not take it however.

I remember small unions whose companies could not be bothered. If the company should close their doors and leave everyone unemployed there was a belief in the Union.

Personally I don't hold a specific position of this or not this in Union or non. My understanding is more historical rather than every day work. One of the biggest things that I remember from the old days to now is that there was no source to which you could use to bypass the "Approved Teaching" which taught you just enough to drive a tractor trailer and no more.

In other words, if I was 21 again in trucking school on day one and we had google, internet and a treasure of information from those who drove before me or was part of union, etc in this industry I would have done a great deal of thinking and choosing very carefully what I would like my future to be. IF I was 21 again. Ultimately the work I did Im pretty happy with, even if some bosses were not for their own reasons.

You learned by doing. And sometimes opportunities come up. Part of my challenges is that in my experience, if a opportunity came up promising a yellow brick road and all that jazz... I am twice burnt already and shy. You would have to explain or teach quite a bit more about it before I had enough time to think about and decide yes or no.
 
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