Oak Harbor Threatens To Terminate Volunteer Firefighter

I know of no other company that disciplines employees for using allotted sick pay. I think they are just plain mean and inconsiderate. Who drafted that attendance policy, anyone wanna guess?
 
On a happier note......lets all hope for a resolved contract in our favor so that our employer may stop looking at us as the enemy and be a little bit more down to earth and realistic...hopefully...but I guess every teamster you fire is one more guy hired that will most likely cross a line, gotta prepare for the worst as they say.[/QUOTE]

I hate to say it, but "resolved contract in our favor" and
"employer may stop looking at us as the enemy" will not
go together. I know that nobody on this site cares, but
the VP's will never look at the teamsters any other way.
They believe that they were lied to in the last round, and
that will never go away. Now, they have backed down on
one of the two items that both sides feel strongly about,
and still the union is standing firm on the health care
issue. Again, nobody here really cares if the VP's are
happy or even satisfied, but they aren't going to be
either of those. They state that their plan is to be able to
celebrate a 100th birthday, and also pass the company
on the another generation. However, at what cost? If
I were one of the kids, I wouldn't want a company that
could not compete, and they believe that in today's market,
they can't with the current labor costs.
 
Seriously they have no problem with competition...they need to slow their growth. They would have no money or labor problems if they still paid their employees well and provided top notch health and retirement. Their money problems are ficticious. Slow the growth and stop being greedy. YOU CANT THINK YOU CAN CONTINUE TO EXPAND AT THE SAME RATE IN SUCH A RECESSION But as quoted from them "you cant learn to run a company from the cab of a truck" guess we dont know much and are as ignorant as they think we are.
 
I hate to say it, but "resolved contract in our favor" and
"employer may stop looking at us as the enemy" will not
go together. I know that nobody on this site cares, but
the VP's will never look at the teamsters any other way.
They believe that they were lied to in the last round, and
that will never go away. Now, they have backed down on
one of the two items that both sides feel strongly about,
and still the union is standing firm on the health care
issue. Again, nobody here really cares if the VP's are
happy or even satisfied, but they aren't going to be
either of those. They state that their plan is to be able to
celebrate a 100th birthday, and also pass the company
on the another generation. However, at what cost? If
I were one of the kids, I wouldn't want a company that
could not compete, and they believe that in today's market,
they can't with the current labor costs.

Excuse me while I wipe a tear, I don't care how the VP's look at Teamsters they can think whatever they want, as long as they show respect at the bargaining table. How were they lied to? Did Teamsters forge their signature on the agreement? OHFL's prime competitor is USF Reddaway if OHFL agreed to all of the union proposals I bet their contract would still be concessionary when compared to USF. They have had it too good the contract they are so upset about is still just a shell of a real Teamster freight contract, Won't be able to compete? come on, do you really not get it? These employees that they are shunning are the reason they can not only compete, but dominate.

Poor kids, tell you what, if they don't want the company I'll take it. I always want a multi million dollar freight company anyway. Like a broken record here but, if their are financial issue at stake here all the company needs to do is open their books and show the union that concessions are necessary. They won't do that, hmmm I wonder why???? Just to state the obvious I'll tell you why, because they know if the union sees how much money they are, and have been making, the union will try to win a lager chunk of that for the hardworking and loyal employees of OHFL.
 
The company must show respect at the bargaining table,
but the respect doesn't go in the other direction? How is
that supposed to work?

The company expanded too far, too fast? Perhaps, but if
the company were still only moving freight in the PNW,
the wage structure that they could afford to pay the union
members would be much less than it is right now. Take
some time and ask what the average revenue per bill is
for regional shipments only, without fuel. Probably around
$50-$75. Calculate the cost of equipment, linehaul, and
the person picking up on one end and delivering on the
other, and there is no way that you can make any kind
of profit. Now, add the revenue per shipment on the
freight moving into and out of California and Nevada.
The number bumps up significantly, and supplements
the regional, which allows the company to keep wages
up. Same with the partnership business.

Don't think this is real? Look at the total compensation
packages for Express, Titan, or any other small company
that only handles freight in the PNW. Think Oak Harbor
needs better equipment? Take a look at what Express
can afford given the rates they have to charge to compete
in the market. Why do you suppose that Old Dominion
isn't continuing to utilize the Priority regional system?
Because the money is in national service, not PNW. UPS
Freight handles regional business, but that is not their
primary sell. National, long haul business is. USF breaks
even on the regional business, the profit comes from their
interchanging with Holland.

What was the benefit to Estes to outright purchase GI?
Not to get a regional carrier. They wanted direct service
on the national market.

See the pattern here? You might be the only person that
would want a regional carrier, because you might be the
only person that actually believes that it would "dominate".
 
The company must show respect at the bargaining table,
but the respect doesn't go in the other direction? How is
that supposed to work?

The company expanded too far, too fast? Perhaps, but if
the company were still only moving freight in the PNW,
the wage structure that they could afford to pay the union
members would be much less than it is right now. Take
some time and ask what the average revenue per bill is
for regional shipments only, without fuel. Probably around
$50-$75. Calculate the cost of equipment, linehaul, and
the person picking up on one end and delivering on the
other, and there is no way that you can make any kind
of profit. Now, add the revenue per shipment on the
freight moving into and out of California and Nevada.
The number bumps up significantly, and supplements
the regional, which allows the company to keep wages
up. Same with the partnership business.

Don't think this is real? Look at the total compensation
packages for Express, Titan, or any other small company
that only handles freight in the PNW. Think Oak Harbor
needs better equipment? Take a look at what Express
can afford given the rates they have to charge to compete
in the market. Why do you suppose that Old Dominion
isn't continuing to utilize the Priority regional system?
Because the money is in national service, not PNW. UPS
Freight handles regional business, but that is not their
primary sell. National, long haul business is. USF breaks
even on the regional business, the profit comes from their
interchanging with Holland.

What was the benefit to Estes to outright purchase GI?
Not to get a regional carrier. They wanted direct service
on the national market.

See the pattern here? You might be the only person that
would want a regional carrier, because you might be the
only person that actually believes that it would "dominate".

Who says respect has mutual?

While you are out there throwing around #'s, go get some rate quotes. Anyone that knows anything about ltl knows that specialized shipments are where the real money is, next day, and guaranteed shipments, make up a large portion of the profits for all ltl carriers I won't throw around made up #'s to support that, but ask your sales people. Look at FXF West they are set up as a regional and they have grown and expanded more than any company in ltl in the last 10 years. I believe their wages exceed Oak Harbors.

Oak Harbor does not need a supplemental income they are profitable as is, they would open their books and cry poor if they were, and this situation would be different.

Who's Express and Titan? Little tiny carriers with high turnover and low quality of service, we should follow their lead? When USF Reddaway was realigned with their traditional footprint (which is almost identical to OHFL's) they snapped back into the black. Holland and Reddaway are not national carriers, they do not interline a great deal of freight, they make their money with regional guaranteed and next day service. More recently the trend has been for national carriers to increase one and two day lanes (see regional/Velocity COO) to pick up some of these specialized shipment that company's like OHFL and USF have been cashing in on big time for years.

Estes purchasing GI is just part of the industry consolidation trend. I don't even know what OD's priority network is, but I wouldn't base my judgments on industry trends just because one carrier dropped a service.

My feeling is the market OHFL operates in is getting more competitive, we are in a economic downturn and companies will get squeezed and more consolidation will occur. If the time comes that OHFL truly needs economic concessions to remain profitable, then I say work with them. Now is not that time these are unreasonable demands with out a basis in reason, OHFL has every advantage with their crazy concessionary contract. If they don't want to play fair, and they want to further decimate standards in this industry, Teamsters will shut them down.
 
The company must show respect at the bargaining table,
but the respect doesn't go in the other direction? How is
that supposed to work?

The company expanded too far, too fast? Perhaps, but if
the company were still only moving freight in the PNW,
the wage structure that they could afford to pay the union
members would be much less than it is right now. Take
some time and ask what the average revenue per bill is
for regional shipments only, without fuel. Probably around
$50-$75. Calculate the cost of equipment, linehaul, and
the person picking up on one end and delivering on the
other, and there is no way that you can make any kind
of profit. Now, add the revenue per shipment on the
freight moving into and out of California and Nevada.
The number bumps up significantly, and supplements
the regional, which allows the company to keep wages
up. Same with the partnership business.

Don't think this is real? Look at the total compensation
packages for Express, Titan, or any other small company
that only handles freight in the PNW. Think Oak Harbor
needs better equipment? Take a look at what Express
can afford given the rates they have to charge to compete
in the market. Why do you suppose that Old Dominion
isn't continuing to utilize the Priority regional system?
Because the money is in national service, not PNW. UPS
Freight handles regional business, but that is not their
primary sell. National, long haul business is. USF breaks
even on the regional business, the profit comes from their
interchanging with Holland.

What was the benefit to Estes to outright purchase GI?
Not to get a regional carrier. They wanted direct service
on the national market.

See the pattern here? You might be the only person that
would want a regional carrier, because you might be the
only person that actually believes that it would "dominate".

Hey ed..oak harbor doesnt need better equiptment. Oak harbor has fine equiptment, probably the best of all the carriers I've seen, with the exception of the CF purchases that were such a "good deal." Calculate OUR gas prices in there too, I work the first hour and a half now just to have the honor of driving to oak harbor. We need money too. What about the minor mistake of ordering 700,000 worth of tractors only to license and insure them two years in a row now and not pulling any freight with them? Mis-management and all the kickbacks and skimming this company does internally by management is going to kill this place. Its time that you do some serious thinking about who you call your key employees and modify your command structure adding honest people that have a true ability to lead, communication skills, and have common sense.
 
Who says respect has mutual?

While you are out there throwing around #'s, go get some rate quotes. Anyone that knows anything about ltl knows that specialized shipments are where the real money is, next day, and guaranteed shipments, make up a large portion of the profits for all ltl carriers I won't throw around made up #'s to support that, but ask your sales people. Look at FXF West they are set up as a regional and they have grown and expanded more than any company in ltl in the last 10 years. I believe their wages exceed Oak Harbors.

Oak Harbor does not need a supplemental income they are profitable as is, they would open their books and cry poor if they were, and this situation would be different.

Who's Express and Titan? Little tiny carriers with high turnover and low quality of service, we should follow their lead? When USF Reddaway was realigned with their traditional footprint (which is almost identical to OHFL's) they snapped back into the black. Holland and Reddaway are not national carriers, they do not interline a great deal of freight, they make their money with regional guaranteed and next day service. More recently the trend has been for national carriers to increase one and two day lanes (see regional/Velocity COO) to pick up some of these specialized shipment that company's like OHFL and USF have been cashing in on big time for years.

Estes purchasing GI is just part of the industry consolidation trend. I don't even know what OD's priority network is, but I wouldn't base my judgments on industry trends just because one carrier dropped a service.

My feeling is the market OHFL operates in is getting more competitive, we are in a economic downturn and companies will get squeezed and more consolidation will occur. If the time comes that OHFL truly needs economic concessions to remain profitable, then I say work with them. Now is not that time these are unreasonable demands with out a basis in reason, OHFL has every advantage with their crazy concessionary contract. If they don't want to play fair, and they want to further decimate standards in this industry, Teamsters will shut them down.

Does 25 years in LTL qualify as someone who knows
anything about LTL?

Sure, guaranteed services are profitable, and that is why
everyone wants to push the service. Particularly when the
company doesn't have to do anything different, the
shipment just moves in the normal fashion. Overnight
service without the guarantee, however, is not as
profitable as you think. First, many people can do it,
including the tiny little carriers you mentioned. Also
include TP Freight in that mix, and they have a union.
I don't believe that Oak Harbor should follow their lead,
but you have to accept the fact that Oak Harbor has to
compete with them and their level of pricing. As for their
poor service, I can line up a bundle of customers that
will tell you that Express, Titan, TP, and all the others do
the following - pick it up on time, deliver it next day, don't
damage it, and provide accurate billing, all the while doing
it for about 15-25% less than Oak Harbor or USF or FedEx.
What is their motivation to change, when all their needs
are being met?

Companies are not increasing overnight and second day
lanes because those lanes are more profitable. They are
adding those services so that they can provide a one stop
shop for their customers. The cost to pick up at a stop and
deliver at a stop is the same, whether you handle 1
shipment or 10. Why not pick up 10 and cut the pickup
costs on each shipment? Do this enough, and the trailers
you send across the country, where the highest cost in
the operation resides, have more shipments on board,
which drops the cost per shipment in linehaul.

This is why Oak Harbor has put so much emphasis on the
partnership sell. Adding more overnight shipments to the
system by itself will mean that you have to get way down
and dirty with pricing to compete with those smaller
carriers you mentioned. If you increase the number of
partnership shipments, the trailers moving in overnight
lanes are more full, but with shipments that pay
significantly more, and that drops the cost on every
shipment on board. Plus, you can then offer the customer
the option of one company picking up, which would allow
Oak Harbor to lower the pickup cost for every shipment.

Talk with the USF management team, and they will tell you
that only part of what you say about them is true. Yes,
they became more profitable when they eliminated four
states in the south. That was a case of running too many
miles across Texas for too little freight, and it was costing
them a fortune. But, a lot of this was a paper loss from
the closing of the Bestway system. Once both issues were
written off, they did come back. Saying that they have the
same traditional footprint as Oak Harbor is not exactly true.
They have a significantly larger one, when you include all
of the mountain states, Montana, Arizona, etc. Also, they
interchange more freight with Holland than you realize, and
have the added benefit of being the delivery carrier for
both Yellow and Roadway in a number of locations, like
the Oregon Coast. Add delivery bill count to a terminal
like Newport, without the pick up cost, and see how that
impacts profit. They also become the pick up carrier for
both Yellow and Roadway in that area, and that adds to
the profit, too.

Finally, I have to mention your comment on FedEx. I
would bet that their wage package is higher than Oak
Harbor. As you say, they are non union. I would also
bet that Con-Way has a wage package higher than
Oak Harbor. Same union issue. The arguement could
be made that they are allowed to exploit their workers
because they are not protected, and I am certain that
many on this forum would say that. The other side of
the fence would say that they are able to operate more
efficiently without the restrictions of a contract, which
allows them to be more profitable, and pass some of
the gains to the employees. Everyone has a personal
opinion on this.

I agree that consolidations will continue, and that the
squeeze is on. Where we do not agree is the time when
the concessions are needed to make Oak Harbor viable
for the future. You say later. I believe now.
 
I agree that consolidations will continue, and that the
squeeze is on. Where we do not agree is the time when
the concessions are needed to make Oak Harbor viable
for the future. You say later. I believe now.

Ed,
If you think Oak needs so many concessions, do you also think that Peninsula is doomed because they negotiated a package deal that was by far, the best contract, for the union members, they have ever seen? Their package deal was on par with Oak Harbor's and now far exceeds the Oak Harbor contract but yet Peninsula was very willing to work through the issues rather than take a stand and not budge. Maybe if Oak Harbor didn't have so many mangagers that are only concerned with the bottom line the union wouldn't feel the need to bust heads every time they turn a corner. I believe the relationship with Peninsula is a good one and it works for everybody. Oak could have it the same but the company chooses not to. It is generally the same group of union officials, is it not?
 
I will admit that I can not figure out the dynamics at
Penninsula. A few years back, they closed some outlying
terminals, and everyone said that it was the beginning of
the end. That was because, in the past, when a carrier
started to close down terminals, it was too late. I don't
know anything about their operation, customer base or
contract. But it seems that they are the exception, not
the rule.
 
The company must show respect at the bargaining table,
but the respect doesn't go in the other direction? How is
that supposed to work?

The company expanded too far, too fast? Perhaps, but if
the company were still only moving freight in the PNW,
the wage structure that they could afford to pay the union
members would be much less than it is right now. Take
some time and ask what the average revenue per bill is
for regional shipments only, without fuel. Probably around
$50-$75. Calculate the cost of equipment, linehaul, and
the person picking up on one end and delivering on the
other, and there is no way that you can make any kind
of profit. Now, add the revenue per shipment on the
freight moving into and out of California and Nevada.
The number bumps up significantly, and supplements
the regional, which allows the company to keep wages
up. Same with the partnership business.

Don't think this is real? Look at the total compensation
packages for Express, Titan, or any other small company
that only handles freight in the PNW. Think Oak Harbor
needs better equipment? Take a look at what Express
can afford given the rates they have to charge to compete
in the market. Why do you suppose that Old Dominion
isn't continuing to utilize the Priority regional system?
Because the money is in national service, not PNW. UPS
Freight handles regional business, but that is not their
primary sell. National, long haul business is. USF breaks
even on the regional business, the profit comes from their
interchanging with Holland.

What was the benefit to Estes to outright purchase GI?
Not to get a regional carrier. They wanted direct service
on the national market.

See the pattern here? You might be the only person that
would want a regional carrier, because you might be the
only person that actually believes that it would "dominate".

Usf breaks even on the regional business and makes thier money interlining with holland? :hysterical: You know NOTHING about our operation. and more than likely nothing about anyone else either!
 
On a happier note......lets all hope for a resolved contract in our favor so that our employer may stop looking at us as the enemy and be a little bit more down to earth and realistic...hopefully...but I guess every teamster you fire is one more guy hired that will most likely cross a line, gotta prepare for the worst as they say.

I hate to say it, but "resolved contract in our favor" and
"employer may stop looking at us as the enemy" will not
go together. I know that nobody on this site cares, but
the VP's will never look at the teamsters any other way.
They believe that they were lied to in the last round, and
that will never go away. Now, they have backed down on
one of the two items that both sides feel strongly about,
and still the union is standing firm on the health care
issue. Again, nobody here really cares if the VP's are
happy or even satisfied, but they aren't going to be
either of those. They state that their plan is to be able to
celebrate a 100th birthday, and also pass the company
on the another generation. However, at what cost? If
I were one of the kids, I wouldn't want a company that
could not compete, and they believe that in today's market,
they can't with the current labor costs.[/QUOTE]

WELL I WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT IT YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE KIDS AND THEY BOTH WANT THE BUSINESS AND IT WILL BE STANDING WAY OVER 100 YEAR MARK WITH BOTH DAN AND MARK AND DAVE'S KIDS AS WELL AT THE HELM.
 
Hey gals: The Cowboy is in town and ready to open the gates and let y'all run out. The I will be a roundin up the new crew of Cowboys to head on down the trail!

Make sure to clean out them lockers or I will burn what's left. Enjoy the rain gals cause your gonna be traipsin around in circles while we roll on down the trail.

Rollin, rollin, rollin...RAWHIDE!

Bye Bye Gals!
 
Oak harbor has fine equiptment, probably the best of all the carriers I've seen, with the exception of the CF purchases that were such a "good deal.".

Little factoid on the "CF" purchases: new trailers with captive beams, if you look at the registration plate on the nose of the trailer you would see that all of these trailers have been rebuilt there original production date is something like 1985. Since OHFL is so proud of their commitment to safety I think it is funny that they purchases these trailers. ABS equipment is expensive, and commonly fails, these trailers were rebuilt to skirt a recent federal law that required all newly produced trailers to have ABS.
 
Finally, I have to mention your comment on FedEx. I
would bet that their wage package is higher than Oak
Harbor. As you say, they are non union. I would also
bet that Con-Way has a wage package higher than
Oak Harbor. Same union issue. The arguement could
be made that they are allowed to exploit their workers
because they are not protected, and I am certain that
many on this forum would say that. The other side of
the fence would say that they are able to operate more
efficiently without the restrictions of a contract, which
allows them to be more profitable, and pass some of
the gains to the employees. Everyone has a personal
opinion on this.

I agree that consolidations will continue, and that the
squeeze is on. Where we do not agree is the time when
the concessions are needed to make Oak Harbor viable
for the future. You say later. I believe now.

Oak Harbors union contract is not restrictive, it is the most liberal contract in all of freight to my knowledge, their wages (Fe-Ex Con-Way) are only high for one reason; employee retention, not because they feel the need to "pass some of the gains onto the employees". They know that high turnover is expensive and they must keep their wages within reach of the standards that the Teamsters have set to keep people. Having a union costs OHFL nothing, they have had one for years, and been successful working with the Teamsters. It will get costly now, because when they see the kind of help they get as replacements, westcoastcowbow up there is a prime example of that, they will wish they had retained their highly skilled and loyal union workforce.
 
Little factoid on the "CF" purchases: new trailers with captive beams, if you look at the registration plate on the nose of the trailer you would see that all of these trailers have been rebuilt there original production date is something like 1985. Since OHFL is so proud of their commitment to safety I think it is funny that they purchases these trailers. ABS equipment is expensive, and commonly fails, these trailers were rebuilt to skirt a recent federal law that required all newly produced trailers to have ABS.

They got a "deal" on these things and then spent about a week worth of labor round the clock putting them inservice repairing them and putting new axles under them on top of it..and doors, kickplates, decks, etc...by the time it was said and done you could have bought a new one....with a warranty for the same price....trip over a dollar to save a dime.
 
Who says respect has mutual?

While you are out there throwing around #'s, go get some rate quotes. Anyone that knows anything about ltl knows that specialized shipments are where the real money is, next day, and guaranteed shipments, make up a large portion of the profits for all ltl carriers I won't throw around made up #'s to support that, but ask your sales people. Look at FXF West they are set up as a regional and they have grown and expanded more than any company in ltl in the last 10 years. I believe their wages exceed Oak Harbors.

Oak Harbor does not need a supplemental income they are profitable as is, they would open their books and cry poor if they were, and this situation would be different.

Who's Express and Titan? Little tiny carriers with high turnover and low quality of service, we should follow their lead? When USF Reddaway was realigned with their traditional footprint (which is almost identical to OHFL's) they snapped back into the black. Holland and Reddaway are not national carriers, they do not interline a great deal of freight, they make their money with regional guaranteed and next day service. More recently the trend has been for national carriers to increase one and two day lanes (see regional/Velocity COO) to pick up some of these specialized shipment that company's like OHFL and USF have been cashing in on big time for years.

Estes purchasing GI is just part of the industry consolidation trend. I don't even know what OD's priority network is, but I wouldn't base my judgments on industry trends just because one carrier dropped a service.

My feeling is the market OHFL operates in is getting more competitive, we are in a economic downturn and companies will get squeezed and more consolidation will occur. If the time comes that OHFL truly needs economic concessions to remain profitable, then I say work with them. Now is not that time these are unreasonable demands with out a basis in reason, OHFL has every advantage with their crazy concessionary contract. If they don't want to play fair, and they want to further decimate standards in this industry, Teamsters will shut them down.

S.T. -

Not sure if you saw the quarterly results for YRC. The
regional group of carriers dropped 11.69% in total revenue
vs. 2007 second quarter, dropped 86.3% in net income,
and daily tonnage was down 17.6%.

All of this was after they pulled their operation back into
the more traditional footprint, which you claim is their
most profitable.

Anyone who knows anything about LTL . . .
 
S.T. -

Not sure if you saw the quarterly results for YRC. The
regional group of carriers dropped 11.69% in total revenue
vs. 2007 second quarter, dropped 86.3% in net income,
and daily tonnage was down 17.6%.

All of this was after they pulled their operation back into
the more traditional footprint, which you claim is their
most profitable.

Anyone who knows anything about LTL . . .

I said "When USF Reddaway was realigned with their traditional footprint they snapped back into the black."

My source for that statement is Bill Zollars, and I think he might know a little more about it than you.

It's been a rough year, competition is fierce, and I don't deny that. YRCW met their projected goals, and tonnage has been down across the board (YRCW didn't really dip until the end of the year 07, watch for much better year over year performance in the 4th and 1st quarters). While I do understand why one might believe that longer distance = more profit. It is simply not true. Go onto the USF forum and ask them, you are making assumptions. I will reiterate a point I have already made here. Next day, two day, and guaranteed services are the bread and butter of all successful LTL carriers inter-regional or intra-regional. Joke Harbor has been making allot more money than you think.
As customers get squeezed for cash, they opt out of specialized services thus lowering the profitability of the freight. Standard shipments at company's that post their #'s run anywhere from 17cents to 5 cents per dollar average, specialized shipments can range from 70cents to 15cents per dollar average (per my sales people).

If you really think OHFL is making a killing interlining with whatever cheap, low quality, carrier they are using this month, you should ask somebody, when I worked there they didn't make anything on the interline (with Central I believe), they simply did it to give customers the option of one point of contact so they could get their hands on the more profitable regional freight. The OR's that OHFL releases are pure BS, they are manipulated, and unverifiable, as a privately owned carrier they have no mandate to release information.

Concessions are not feasible at this point in time because the company is extremely profitable, their unwillingness to open the books is irrefutable proof of that. If they were to sit down with Teamsters and say look here's our #'s, and if their was an obvious downward trend it would be in everyones best interest to make adjustments to ensure the long term stability of the carrier and Teamster jobs.
Don't be mislead, they could have agreed to the union demands and made good money in the process. They want more, and they want to take it out of our backs, and undercut our other agreements. Just "bargaining in good faith Oak Harbor Style":1036316054:
 
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