Welcome dw5thousand. This used to be a place where people would come and vent about estes. There was also a time when we thought we could give input to try and make this a better place to work for all. But now it has become a train wreck. It's like a crystal vase fell to the ground. Broke into five thousand pieces. You got a tube of super glue. And your'e going to try to put it all back together again. Mission impossible!