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  1. White

    White Straight’nin the curves, flat’nin the hills

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    6600# oxidizer, 360# poison (not Zone A/B). I say you use Oxidizer (obviously) & Dangerous. I say you can’t use Poison as it’s under 1001#. Opinions? Thanks
     
  2. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Whew! Good one....I would think "Poison"......Any Quantity.....along with "Oxidizer". But I'm not sure......
    Good technical question, Brother.....
     
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  3. White

    White Straight’nin the curves, flat’nin the hills

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    Zone A/B is any quantity. All others 1001#. I say communication is the point of placards. If requirements aren’t met, they can’t be used.
     
  4. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    In that case, I would defer to you. You are right,.....communication is the key.
     
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  5. Elwood

    Elwood Question Authority

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    Oxidizer placards only. No other combination of H/M fulfills the need for additional placarding. To put one’s mind at ease, poison or dangerous could be applied, but are not necessary.

    Btw, is the oxidizer a bulk commodity, requiring said UN identification?
     
  6. Big Dave

    Big Dave I love Ridge Sox popcorn

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    Oxidizer and Dangerous.

    If it fits in my Hat, then it’s a bulk quantity :17142:
     
  7. White

    White Straight’nin the curves, flat’nin the hills

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    Empty & not purged, copy that driver:poke:
     
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  8. White

    White Straight’nin the curves, flat’nin the hills

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    No bulk. Pool cleaning tabs or something.
     
  9. Elwood

    Elwood Question Authority

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    Respectfully, I disagree.
    The Dangerous placard is unnecessary.
     
  10. xeastend

    xeastend Well-Known Member

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    That would be placarded as Oxidizer 5.1 and either Poison 6 (prefered) or Dangerous. The 1001 lbs is for ALL haz in the trailer. Not each class. Exception being non-bulk class 9, combustible or limited quantity.
     
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  11. xeastend

    xeastend Well-Known Member

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    My company has software similar to this in our terminals. Also avbl as an app

    https://placardwizard.com/
     
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  12. zeroday

    zeroday Well-Known Member

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    I've hauled that stuff...even had a road side hazmat inspection in Georgia...only had oxidizer (including number) placards...
     
  13. White

    White Straight’nin the curves, flat’nin the hills

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    UN # required for 8200# + if straight load. Trailer becomes bulk container. Reverts back to 5.1 if you pick up a skid of say, hats.
     
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  14. seabreeze

    seabreeze Not Well Known Member, 60 Year Teamster Member

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    Sorry, all hats are exempt, West of Big Muddy, unless hats with bils are worn bassakwards ( see Hummingbird Article)
     
  15. BIG R GUY

    BIG R GUY Construction Zone Mirror Expert

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    Poison, any amount, use class placard. Poison is poison. Falls under the group placard for ANY amount. No dangerous placard. You can also use the Oxidizer class placard that has the smaller UN numbers in the middle of it...
     
  16. White

    White Straight’nin the curves, flat’nin the hills

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    I respectfully refer you to Table 2 in regards to placarding Poison. Table 1 (A/B, inhalation hazard) is any amount. I personally think using class placs for unrequired amounts communicates a more serious danger than present. Conversely, I use class v Dangerous when weights warrant.
     
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  17. albag

    albag Pray for peace! AD-FREE USER

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    You do not identify whether the poison is 2.3 or 6. If it is Division 2.3 (gas) it is a Table 1 risk and is placarded at any amount. If it is Division Poison 6.1 (solid or liquid not an inhalation hazard in zone A/B) then a Dangerous Placard would be acceptable, in addition to the Division 5.1 placard for the Oxidizer. I will add that any time more than 2,002 lbs. of aggregate weight of all H/M loaded placards must represent all of the risks. Either the Poison 6.1 or Dangerous may represent the 360 lbs. However I would placard with a 5.1 and a 6, out of courtesy to First Responders to alert them of the Poison risk. After all the point of placarding is to alert to the H/M risks in the trailer.
     
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  18. White

    White Straight’nin the curves, flat’nin the hills

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    Thank you to all who participated. Safe to assume the rules are somewhat open to interpretation. And, I think, we all may have learned a little. Or learned to pay a little more attention. Thanks again
     
  19. BIG R GUY

    BIG R GUY Construction Zone Mirror Expert

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    You can legally use any class placard also for weights under 1001 lbs. it is communicating the risk.
     
  20. Big Dave

    Big Dave I love Ridge Sox popcorn

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    You’re thinking of the placards required to haul the ingredients for Ridge Sox popcorn.....
     
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