TForce | Question about reaching full scale.....?

"I too am in Progression"...

"Your" "Not" going to be "Set-Back"

"Progression" is contingent (or based on) the percentage of what people at top rate are receiving...

"If" they get a raise "your" percentage changes...
Yes, i believe i would not be set back, or should i hope not? But by reading section 1;b, I would say we are stuck were we are until we complete are 36 months,my 24 months is coming up, an as i said before I am ahead of that.Just read section b; of what overnite sent,hell I hope am wrong on this,but thats the way I read it, is that where f*****. It will be a nice raise when we get it, And this progression sh*t is how the company make,s money,an the MNFA is now three years too. unless you come from a MNFA company,it 90% 1st,year than top rate,as a former teamster we have been asking for them to get rid of the progression rate for years,ask a long time teamster they never use to thave this crap,I think it was 30 days than rate,something like that,but the company loves it ,it's a money maker for them
 
The NMFA uses percentages of top pay for progression which means in 36 months your topped out, guys who are in progression are not eligible for hourly wages increases only the progression raises only employees who are topped out will get the .70, .75 etc.

Here is what the NMFA says:
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The NMFA uses percentages of top pay for progression which means in 36 months your topped out, guys who are in progression are not eligible for hourly wages increases only the progression raises only employees who are topped out will get the .70, .75 etc.

Here is what the NMFA says:
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Yes, thats the new MNFA, the old one had two years progression, an I beleive if you go way back there was none,say 30 years ago,than again most of the ltl companys where union than.Imagine if we where all union now, what kind of benifits an money we would all be making,hell you could probably retire at 50,at 5,000 a month an your med. Ins. paid for.Sorry i like to dream
 
I don't think the LTL industry could afford to pay much more then they do now.

Anyone and there brother that has a truck can start up a company freight company.
 
3 years is a long time to reach top scale and it will be harder to get experienced drivers.
Blame this one on the Company for trying to pinch pennies. 2 years would be better.
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if your at the bottom of the scale.....climb down off your cross ,,,use the wood to build a bridge.....and get over it!:smilie_132:

Well, thank you so much for the sentiment and clarification.

I apologize for trying to make a decision as to what I should do in my pseudo layed-off state. I mean, after all, when I left Frito-Lay making $80K a year and was told that I would be nothing less than busy at UPSF.....I would have no need to worry about making enough to cover the $1732.00 mortage that I told them about prior to hiring, correct?

I'll make certain to run all posts through you first before submitting them in the future, Mr.---what was it big.....arms?......yeah.:biglaugh:
 
Yes, i believe i would not be set back, or should i hope not? But by reading section 1;b, I would say we are stuck were we are until we complete are 36 months,my 24 months is coming up, an as i said before I am ahead of that.Just read section b; of what overnite sent,hell I hope am wrong on this,but thats the way I read it, is that where f*****. It will be a nice raise when we get it, And this progression sh*t is how the company make,s money,an the MNFA is now three years too. unless you come from a MNFA company,it 90% 1st,year than top rate,as a former teamster we have been asking for them to get rid of the progression rate for years,ask a long time teamster they never use to thave this crap,I think it was 30 days than rate,something like that,but the company loves it ,it's a money maker for them



I think your still misunderstanding the language regarding the "current progression" and the "current progression rate"

So, I have broken down this paragraph as follows:

Employees on the “Local Cartage” seniority list who are still in progression on the ratification date of this agreement shall remain in their current progression


This part of the language specifies that "nothing changes" regarding service time rendered and that you "remain on pace" to "complete" your progression according to company requirements prior to ratification...

The progression rate while within this progression time period remains "in tact" and will increase according to the full rate according to the level of service time you have surpassed.


, and shall upon completion of that progression be eligible thereafter to begin receiving the hourly wage increases set forth in paragraph a.


"Once you complete your progression" and are "receiving full rate" you will then be eligible to receive the rate increases specified.

You see... "Our" progression rate is always contingent / based on the "full rate"... "If" the top rate changes due to people on full rate receiving a "raise" then "we" will be getting an increase according to that rate... In essence kind of like us on progression getting a raise... just "not really"
 
Just a conspirascy theory. Maybe by starving the Road guys they are hoping that most up and quit. Afterall that is where the most cost are generated from. So you get newbies and contractors. Newbies are going to be runnig short runs and working the dock in the near future......I have a strong feeling. And gypsies will be running long for next to nothing. What a concept!!! Remember this at contract time and read the fine print carefully.
 
hug, wouldn't it be cheaper to have dock workers work the freight instead of a road driver?

Just hope UPS does not decide to change the road too hourly, if they do, you will work the dock when they trim the fat, besides everything is in the air at this point. The end result is due to a bad economy, and if the value of the dollar goes down anymore, there will be more fat trimmed.
 
Just a conspirascy theory. Maybe by starving the Road guys they are hoping that most up and quit. Afterall that is where the most cost are generated from. So you get newbies and contractors. Newbies are going to be runnig short runs and working the dock in the near future......I have a strong feeling. And gypsies will be running long for next to nothing. What a concept!!! Remember this at contract time and read the fine print carefully.


Don't you think that "we" are going to be treated better then this?

It's just as easy to "speculate" "positive thoughts"... "As it is negative"...

"I" see us being the "elite"... "the envy of all"

Just as the package L/H drivers are perceived differently... "That will be us eventually!"
 
Don't you think that "we" are going to be treated better then this?

It's just as easy to "speculate" "positive thoughts"... "As it is negative"...

"I" see us being the "elite"... "the envy of all"

Just as the package L/H drivers are perceived differently... "That will be us eventually!"


So one could actually say 20 years from now the ambiguity in this contract will be gone, and everyone will want to get a job at UPSF, Mainly because UPS put the competition out of business. In the meantime we have a hard time getting dock hoes to stop putting a fork through my deliveries.

We may be an "ELITE" carrier, but not the only one, when times are bad, little overhead means quite a bit too a customer, particularly when it's reflective in shipping costs.

We currently sell the technology, and no one gives a simple $hit for it. So much for the brand.

Only when times are good will this company prevail. Price is the main topic for alot particularly in the northeast. We have a hard time currently getting dock hoes to stop putting a fork through my deliveries.
 
So one could actually say 20 years from now the ambiguity in this contract will be gone, and everyone will want to get a job at UPSF, Mainly because UPS put the competition out of business. In the meantime we have a hard time getting dock hoes to stop putting a fork through my deliveries.

We may be an "ELITE" carrier, but not the only one, when times are bad, little overhead means quite a bit too a customer, particularly when it's reflective in shipping costs.

We currently sell the technology, and no one gives a simple $hit for it. So much for the brand.

Only when times are good will this company prevail. Price is the main topic for alot particularly in the northeast. We have a hard time currently getting dock hoes to stop putting a fork through my deliveries.


There is always "ambiguity" (uncertainty) in everything...

And "Yes"... Why wouldn't this place remain one of the most desirable places to work?

Competition will always be there... especially in "this" industry... "Trucks move the World"

The way I see it "Technology and Price" is already securing "new business" (even here in the N.E.)... as well as the "convenience" of having "one company handling all your shipping needs... and the convenience of receiving one bill for all your freight charges"

As far as your "main" concern... I know how our freight is being treated... Once the transition has been completed (new equipment, better facilities) a different mind set will set in...
 
So one could actually say 20 years from now the ambiguity in this contract will be gone, and everyone will want to get a job at UPSF, Mainly because UPS put the competition out of business. In the meantime we have a hard time getting dock hoes to stop putting a fork through my deliveries.

We may be an "ELITE" carrier, but not the only one, when times are bad, little overhead means quite a bit too a customer, particularly when it's reflective in shipping costs.

We currently sell the technology, and no one gives a simple $hit for it. So much for the brand.

Only when times are good will this company prevail. Price is the main topic for alot particularly in the northeast. We have a hard time currently getting dock hoes to stop putting a fork through my deliveries.
dock hoes? is that what you guys call dockworkers? dock hoes? i actually know a few dock hoes.....not everyone is bad at handling freight.
 
dock hoes? is that what you guys call dockworkers? dock hoes? i actually know a few dock hoes.....not everyone is bad at handling freight.

No, I agree, the statement was made in a general fashion. Hoes is nothing more then being jovial on my behalf.

Not everyone is bad, but when we make statements in company magazines and such about improvements, and there has been some I must admit, there must be program too insure this adjustment continues in good faith.

The unfortunate thing is "O" as we all know was very lax in training, the unfortunate thing is, most involved are being black listed for the lack of trianing. And that has left a bad taste in most mouths of DOCK WORKERS. I see it in my terminal everyday.

To be honest, I feel sorry for most. But my statements about "hoes" was nothing but jovial.
 
There is always "ambiguity" (uncertainty) in everything...

And "Yes"... Why wouldn't this place remain one of the most desirable places to work?

Competition will always be there... especially in "this" industry... "Trucks move the World"

The way I see it "Technology and Price" is already securing "new business" (even here in the N.E.)... as well as the "convenience" of having "one company handling all your shipping needs... and the convenience of receiving one bill for all your freight charges"

As far as your "main" concern... I know how our freight is being treated... Once the transition has been completed (new equipment, better facilities) a different mind set will set in...

Yes, technology is a winner I agree, but when the end result is higher costs for the shipper and or consighnee, in times when industrial america has reached the bottom of the hill, shippers will look for the cheaper price. The better equipment and facilities I agree will be a plus.

Right now in this state our volume has dropped considerably, and most sales personell agree the bottom line is price, and the fact that we cannot pick them up.

In referance too those companies that are doing well the added security ( technology) is most certainly a gift, and the fact that all can be done with one as opposed too the paperchase involved in the alternative.

We are the most expensive carrier still, in the north atleast. Said from alot of customers, I do multiple run's so therefore I have the chance to not only talk too alot of shipping managers , but managers who share the same opinion's in those multiple runs.

We are in a transitional state, so therefore I must keep an open mind, allthough alot of my statements, surely do not reflect this statement.

In regaurds to "AMBIGUITY" yes I suppose you are right, there will always be ambiguity in a contract, even Teamsters who from time too time refer too the NMFA as the Holy Grail can say from time to time it did not protect them, for whatever reason, again I must reiterate the fact that we as a whole (in referance to the contract) is being thrown under the bus.

I do say 44 years later the NMFA has taken a turn for the worst, to vote for this in our case would be travesty at best, but most of the protections in the contract should be referranced to us in our's, this is simple. The discretionary clause is one fine example or "sick pay" as the clause is referred to, in this national contract, this is a contridiction in terms. We do not see this in the NMFA. To be sick by definition does not in any way promote planning, spontiniety should be the definition for sick, the unfortunate thing is in this contract ( UPGF'S) discretionary is subject to approval by by management. The question here is, how does this protect workers right's? This is the ambiguity I speak of.

I get the impression my 10 year old desighned this contract. Allthough with that being said there is alot of good, alot we probably would not have seen without this contract. I do feel however, we may have to except this contract to get the ball rolling and move on too a brighter future in future negotiations.
 
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